WoW Legion uses FFXI style for relics but FFXIV does not?

[Morningstar1337]

Honestly artifacts and relics accomplish different objectives to the point I question why this is a discussion

Becuase they are all ultimately, iconic weapons of the Class they represent. Think about it. All the Jobmasters have these weapons. The charatcer art for the classes have these weapons (Eso weapons count), Derplander has a Bravura and a Brinoac and the Warriors of Darkness have relics.

Likewise with all I knoe about the artifacts (from this thread) I assume that this is also the case for them. Legendary iconic weapons that the playwer would canonically be depicted with

[Welsper59]

I know a lot of people played FF XI and I know when people talk about Dynamis and what not I have no clue what they're talking about however, my IRL friends played FF XI and when we had get togethers 3 of us would be playing WoW and the other 2 played FF XI. They only briefly talked about the relic but the way they talked about it wasn't epic or intuitive it was 200 mobs you had to kill and then another 200 and another etc which is just another time sink from my perspective. I read back to the relic quests today about FF XI and they're more of the same like the 5 stages they talk about to upgrade your weapon you have to wait 2 hours? Why? It's more gated time sinking to cater to a weapon that'll take 1 day and then another 2 hours to wait again. That's about all i'm going to comment since I have no experience but that's what my friends were doing back then and it wasn't hard just tedious for them to be like well I have to wait a few hours now i'll take a nap.

I did like the idea that it grew with you as being your mainstay weapon i'll give it that but FF XIV has nothing like this and If it was more like Legions since I can grab points from it as it's really well done and feels rewarding to the point where adding a new artifact relic item that's higher ilvl with the desired + trait feels amazing. But after player FF XIV and having friends that played FF XI with them spending countless weekends grinding I can see the old school grind but reading up on it and watching them play and talking to them now (2016) it was more tedious and less challenging to them and comparing it to FF XIV that's what FF XIV is in terms of relic grinding, just tedious and a time sink rather then growing with your character. Those are the only differences from a not FF XI player.

The original vanilla relic acquisition in XI was not as grindy, since it only involved currency that you could slowly farm in a raid for and buy from other players, wait times to turn in a finished stage and wait X days/weeks until it was ready (recent nerfs dropped its wait times to hours), and killing specific bosses for relic stage requirements. My use of "only" is a huge understatement though... as in the effort it took is something this game hasn't even begun to make players experience, outside of any world first folks' efforts. Still, Dynamis was a generally fun experience even after a hundred times (though that's subject from person to person as to when tedium hits lol). It was only after the level cap increase that those stupid use Relic WS 200 times on X mob type became a thing, and the mindnumbing grind really began.

Legions Legendary weapons progression is interesting to say the least. The endgame frontier player will potentially avoid the significant amount of time a casual easy-mode player has to spend upgrading. How their ease of requirements will affect perspectives as the expansion goes on is yet to be determined though.

Becuase they are all ultimately, iconic weapons of the Class they represent. Think about it. All the Jobmasters have these weapons. The charatcer art for the classes have these weapons (Eso weapons count), Derplander has a Bravura and a Brinoac and the Warriors of Darkness have relics.

Likewise with all I knoe about the artifacts (from this thread) I assume that this is also the case for them. Legendary iconic weapons that the playwer would canonically be depicted with

XI is a bit of the anomaly between the three titles mentioned. There was never an actual depiction of the relic weapons as being the icon for the jobs. All that was ever associated was the weapon type, the artifact armors, and MAYBE the old crappy AF weapon (only a few jobs on that one, I think).

To tell you the truth I wish there was relic armors as well that upgraded. I associate gear as more repeated iconic sets to Final Fantasy. Artifact Armor is the core visual identity each job is based off.

The easy out on that one is the glamour system. Not the same, I know, but it at least gives you the visual option.

[Morningstar1337]

XI is a bit of the anomaly between the three titles mentioned. There was never an actual depiction of the relic weapons as being the icon for the jobs. All that was ever associated was the weapon type, the artifact armors, and MAYBE the old crappy AF weapon (only a few jobs on that one, I think).

I assume that it has something to do with XI's classes allowing use of multiple weapon types, instead of a single weapon being the core of the Job identity (I also presume that WoW's specs are similar to XIV in this regard, but I do not know if WoW allowed specs use of multiple weapon types)

[Remedi]

Becuase they are all ultimately, iconic weapons of the Class they represent. Think about it. All the Jobmasters have these weapons. The charatcer art for the classes have these weapons (Eso weapons count), Derplander has a Bravura and a Brinoac and the Warriors of Darkness have relics.

Likewise with all I knoe about the artifacts (from this thread) I assume that this is also the case for them. Legendary iconic weapons that the playwer would canonically be depicted with

Eh that's not entirely true, the artifacts were mostly weapons known in the lore because wielded by some of the main heroes of the story
Also I wouldn't say that this time around the relic is tied to the lore of the job at all

[Morningstar1337]

Eh that's not entirely true, the artifacts were mostly weapons known in the lore because wielded by some of the main heroes of the story
Also I wouldn't say that this time around the relic is tied to the lore of the job at all

Well the artifacts still fit the legendary and iconic part at least

The Lore Book should have some details on the Eso Weapons at least.