Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Aosha]

Politeness

I try to be as uninsulting as possible (not always succeeding if I need to be fast at saying something) when reminding people of their stances etc. Generally does not go well
Except for paladins who forgot Shield Oath, they tend to be pretty good sports about it.

I jumped into ARF one day from the roulette. During the first pull (tank only pulled one pack) the healer started going on with "For the love of god pull more" (apparently having missed the memo about healers only getting to dictate the max sizes of pulls, and tanks choosing within those limits). Me and the bard immediately chime in with a shared note of "Look at his gear, that would not be wise" (good on the DRK for knowing his own limits) followed by "I would rather ask him to turn Darkside on."
Yeah he did not use that. His reasoning was "It's only needed for the bosses". Refused to use it because "It costs too many MP." Que all 3 of us explaining to him how 1) using and managing MP is the core gameplay of the class; 2)it deals more damage (speeds things up)/helps with aggro; 3) it actually is required for high level content; 4) how it would be kinda like if I stopped using Twin Snakes or keeping up Greased Lightning, or the bard dropped Minuet or DoTs.
His response was a simple "Shut up." Our comments were completely insult-free, just general notes on how DRK functions, but I suppose the raw amount of stuff may have been a bit much. And looking back at it, that "4)" may have been not the best choice of words. At this point I don't know how to take that reply of his. It was both unwarranted and warranted at the same time. :/

We did clear the place without deaths and at a reasonable pace, but I had to forego using any self buff cooldowns at all on trash, sitting at orange aggro the entire way through, with the bard occasionally pulling stuff off the tank while using cooldowns. Aside from this trouble the whole party did generally do well with mechanics and such, so on the whole it was a positive experience.

Now, I understand the MP management aspect of DRK is not for everyone. It's the reason why if I tank anything I use one of the other two. I'm just curious why someone would choose to play the MP management class if they don't want to manage MP. Aside from the usual edgelord reasons.

[AnaviAnael]

It gets to the point where simply asking my co-healer in Wiping Shitty to help with cleansing debuffs and raising people is met with insults and inane boasting about the numbers we were apparently parsing.

The exact line I used was, "I need your help in cleansing and ressing". I did not cuss at him, I made no comments about his healing or DPSing. I simply asked for help, and in reply, I got nothing but a shitheap. It's starting to make me wonder why I even make an effort to be polite nowadays.

I've noticed this a lot too, not just in weeping city. Even in 4 man dungeons, a lot of healers don't bother trying to remove status debuffs.

[FinaSel]

"Don't forget ninja poison"
etc

I understand how you feel. It's why I always feel so nervous before giving advice. Even though it is just to help the other player become better and to help the group succeed.

I think one reason people may react negatively to it, is that they are feeling some stress about the situation. Maybe it is their first in the instance as that class. I know the first time I went into Mhach as Ninja, I was all over the place. But after a few times, i got it down really well.

The very first time I went into Weeping City, someone in my party gave me advice. He was trying to be helpful, but I felt like he was attacking me. I agreed with him and promised to improve, but I felt pretty depressed right after that.
I think some people, instead of feeling helpless like I did, may instead lash out. They must be under some pressure or something.

Still, it's important everyone realizes the other player is usually just trying to help out.

But, because it's the internet and we can't really show tone / inflection in our voice, people will hear things the way they want to hear them, and interpret what they read however they want to.
Some will take offense.
It can't be helped. We can only keep in mind that most people just want to help each other. At least, I want to believe it.

[Cakekizyy]

I think a reason people react badly; unsolicited advice is often unwanted advice.

[Maerwen]

Got stuck with an AST in WoD who only used Diurnal Sect Aspected Helios. Is this the thing now with ASTs and WHMs to just use their aoe regens and nothing else? Cause if it is I don't like it.

If I'm running ast and if my cohealer is ast in Diurnal, I will go Nocturnal. If I'm paired with a WHM, I'm in Nocturnal, and Diurnal if paired with SCH.

[raela]

I think a reason people react badly; unsolicited advice is often unwanted advice.

Some of those examples could be slip ups from synced runs and such, or forgetting to switch up buffs after a boss. Yeah, some people hate any sort of advice.. But there are those of us who do appreciate a reminder!

[synesthetic]

Got stuck with an AST in WoD who only used Diurnal Sect Aspected Helios. Is this the thing now with ASTs and WHMs to just use their aoe regens and nothing else? Cause if it is I don't like it.

If I'm running ast and if my cohealer is ast in Diurnal, I will go Nocturnal. If I'm paired with a WHM, I'm in Nocturnal, and Diurnal if paired with SCH.

I think their statement was more criticism for healers who go on cruise control and -only- use that AoE regen then stop paying attention to what's going on.

But as a WHM, I don't mind cohealer ASTs going Diurnal. Our regens would stack, and I may prefer it for DPS'ing purposes.
It's all good.

[Cakekizyy]

Some of those examples could be slip ups from synced runs and such, or forgetting to switch up buffs after a boss. Yeah, some people hate any sort of advice.. But there are those of us who do appreciate a reminder!

I didn't mean forgetting a buff, more advice on how to play a class when they are happy how they are.

[Ersilon]

Is this the thing now with ASTs and WHMs to just use their aoe regens and nothing else? Cause if it is I don't like it.

That sounds... Stupidly inefficient. I would kick any healer that tried to pull that kind of garbage, but I would first at least try to confirm they're not doing it out of ignorance.

If I'm running ast and if my cohealer is ast in Diurnal, I will go Nocturnal. If I'm paired with a WHM, I'm in Nocturnal, and Diurnal if paired with SCH.

I generally use Diurnal the majority of the time, unless I'm paired with another AST. WHM and AST regens stack, but like SCH and AST shields don't stack, AST regens do not stack from two different Astrologians.

[Maerwen]

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I do those sects when I go with FC/LS. But when I DF, all bets are off. I had an ast before who kept noct sect the whole praetorium and kept cancelling all my crit adlos/succors. And I had a whm who refused to heal in Final Steps.

But on a good day, I try to do what I think would help my co healer (but I am not ashamed to admit I do get a little hostile and will not heal my co healer at all because they aren't healing anyone).