war nerfs(srs bznz pls)

[Aurius]

We did suddenly take more damage, 3.2 mobs and bosses had a significant damage spike to compensate for our larger hp pools. I agree warrior stance dancing is easy, but that's because of how its tank stance works, it'd be op for dark and pally to stance dance ogcd (sword oath should be ogcd though). As far as the analogy, we're not talking about every other class, but the 2 other tanks. With that being the case, they should get similar mileage and power. Right now one gets better, so i should fix the other two to either get very similar or change how i use them (utility) to further their usefulness.

[Reynhart]

it'd be op for dark and pally to stance dance ogcd (sword oath should be ogcd though).

Why ? Would it suddenly make you chose a DRK or a PLD over a WAR ? "OP" is not just "Good" it's literally something that make all other choice weaker. Even if stance dancing was smooth for PLD and DRK, WAR would still have a lot up its sleeve

As far as the analogy, we're not talking about every other class, but the 2 other tanks.

Ok, so not better than every other car...but your truck can't be faster, better at off-road and consume less fuel than every other truck. Like I said, WAR's utility is so wide that you'll always lose something by not having them. It's not as if Storm's Eye only increase WAR's DPS, or Storm's Path only decreases DoT effect. They work every time, on every target and with a potential full uptime.

The same is true for its mitigation. DRK and PLD lose a lot when faced against the type of damage that doesn't fit them. WAR does not. And WAR is still on par with the other two even considering a PLD against physical damage and a DRK against magical damage. WAR is also the only whose mitigation skills offer an offensive bonus, thus making them useful even when not tanking.

Tell me, what does Shadow Wall have over Vengeance ? Same mitigation, lower duration, longer cooldown, and no offensive bonus...

[Aurius]

I did choose dark over war. I mained war until last december then switched and while i still run war sometimes, ive never considered switching back. I hope i dont sound like I'm being a jerk. Shadow wall is weaker than sentinel, and is not offensive like vengeance, but I think it's fine. I can use da dm shadow wall and da dam for magic busters, pally can do that with Shelton, warrior can make do as well with ib, but it's not better, it's all very similar.

[Aurius]

Accidentally hit post, fml. Stance dancing with instant mitigation is op. If a warrior used defiance, they need a heal to compensate the hp difference. If drk/pal use tank stance, instant mitigation is provided.

[ADVSS]

Accidentally hit post, fml. Stance dancing with instant mitigation is op. If a warrior used defiance, they need a heal to compensate the hp difference. If drk/pal use tank stance, instant mitigation is provided.

maybe all thats needed is if they do defiance a little more like thrill?(tack the difference on instantly) Id be down with that,give healers less of a stroke

[FoxyAreku]

I was under the impression that changes would be made to make all three tanks just as good as warrior, not just a straight nerf to warrior.

But as a Scholar main I think this is a good thing, both of those jobs are just too good.