I just can't understand the mentality. + My thoughts.

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

Yeah, OP the whole old MMO vs new MMO is like a new thing i guess. Some people just want to run through like a bulldozer and destroy everything first try. I guess that's fun to them. To others it's kinda boring so they leave but w/e. It's the dev's game and i guess this is what they want. No gear progression for any challenging content.

[Maddonious]

Why people are just trashtalking the OP ?

Raid mechanics aren't difficult nowadays, you've just to dance during 15min.

The real problem, which explain why the OP didn't cleared the whole Savage content, is to find a good static. Because most of the people raiding are casuals that just wanna try savage and can't question themselves about their playstyle. (Had a 800 dps MNK last week on Niddhog' EX, thanks PF)

1. We're trashing them because of the evidence against them or maybe you didnt read the first 2 pages?
2. Raid mechanics are difficult to some but mechanics are a group effort, if one falls so do the rest. Just cause you are perfect at it doesnt mean you win the game for the rest of the group.
3. They claimed multiple times about beating all raid content and even the savage SCoB yet no achievements. They said they dont play a lot so thats why only one class to 60 so its obvious this is their only character if thats true and no alt to make the scapegoat now that the crap has hit the fan. Remember, them beating the content is the pillar this whole "easy mode" talk is built on but it got knocked down on the first page.

Did you not read anything going on?

[Laerune]

Isnt this a common thing though? When you play game and you criticise that game, the players who love the game will defend it. Its like going to a Trump rally and criticising Trump infront of his followers, how do you think they are going to respond? I am not saying that how they respond is a good thing, people should be open to others opinion and be civil about it, but this is a very common behavior.

About raids becoming easier, around 5% of this community is a active raider and among this same group not everyone has already cleared the current raids. I can understand SE if they want to make it easier and more accessible. SE spends alot of money to make these raids and they want it to be worth their time and money, hence they make it more accessible for other players.

Afcourse this does not excuse players being rude to you, in a weird way this is good news for you, do you realy want to play with close minded individuals as the ones that were in your LS?

[Zojha]

Isnt this a common thing though? When you play game and you criticise that game, the players who love the game will defend it.

It's all a matter of what and how you criticize. When I was criticizing the whole 0CS wardbot thing in LoL, it was like charging an open door. Most (but not all) people were in consent that it sucked and the "5th wheel" should have means of generating money and getting items as well - people just weren't sure how to best go about it and there were concerns how to keep support viable instead of having it replaced with something else that makes better use of the money (Since excelling without money was the support's niché).

There were also discussions about the lack of itemization depth, for ADCs in particular, since back then, they literally all had the exact same build. Little opposition there, the heated debate happened in the "hows" of changing that and whether it's possible to change it in the first place.

I don't think criticizing a game's flaws is an issue. Example: If I say I feel that stats are a little shallow and I would rather have more depth, does anyone get offended? I think not. You can then brainstorm how to create stat depth and you can bet that someone will come and say that s/he doesn't want pointless stat traps and complexity without depth. They might not even disagree with the perceived lack of depth, just with the suggestions how to deal with it.

I mean, sure, there are some people who are just plain unreasonable. In such cases, all you can do is to just quit the discussion before you let yourself be drawn to the same level (Something I fail to do aaall too often myself >.>)

[ExKage]

No one wants to see their Linkshell channel turn into someone's soapbox or one where the conversation is going nowhere. The fact that you got kicked from not just one, not just two, but -three- linkshells speaks about how you carry those 'discussions'. If people are wanting to have a good time and they see a conversation heading down a dead end downer, they're not going to want to see their LS continuing in that direction. Making occasional gripes known is one thing. Making your gripe known for over 30 minutes is annoying af.

[Campi]

Why people are just trashtalking the OP ?

Raid mechanics aren't difficult nowadays, you've just to dance during 15min.

The real problem, which explain why the OP didn't cleared the whole Savage content, is to find a good static. Because most of the people raiding are casuals that just wanna try savage and can't question themselves about their playstyle. (Had a 800 dps MNK last week on Niddhog' EX, thanks PF)

Why are people talking, that the raid-content is easy, when they even don't cleared it?

So the only reason why the OP didn't cleared the content she said, she already have, is that she wasn't carried through the raid?

Saw your parses on fflogs
Seems like you're not better then the monk

[MayleeMorningstar]

@Athena
Ohh yeah I forgot, you are not either responsible on how others take what you say is solely on them.

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from the consequences of said speech.

I have the right to call my boyfriend fat. Even if I did it out of concern for his health, it's not solely on him if he gets hurt or upset because of it. If the relationship ended because of what I said, it would be on me.

[Velhart]

The main thing I always see when someone wants to argue about putting FFXI into FFXIV, it is always about their own experience and how it would benefit them if the game was made as such. This is a bad mentality to have. It isn't wrong to suggest ideas from FFXI and I can name a few myself, however when I see ideas pop up, it is not in the benefit of balance and only aiming towards a certain audience instead of a whole. Content needs to be accessible, but challenging. Its fine to add a piece of content catered to a certain audience like raiding, what more I mean is changing the entire core/backbone of the game when there is no proof that this is what the majority want.

You have to explain why what one ideas is actually better for the player base as a whole, not what you particularly find fun. You can voice your opinion and say you like this more, but you can't speak on behalf of everyone.

To some in here: Don't forget the argument is more about comparing FFXI to FFXIV. The argument is not about criticizing FFXIV itself, but criticizing that it does not feed off FFXI to make it's content/core game. FFXIV has plenty of flaws, but some's ideas that come from FFXI some believe is not the solution in this topic. I think anyone here who thinks logically know FFXIV has issues.

[Watachy]

Why are people talking, that the raid-content is easy, when they even don't cleared it?

So the only reason why the OP didn't cleared the content she said, she already have, is that she wasn't carried through the raid?

Saw your parses on fflogs
Seems like you're not better then the monk

Hum sounds interesting to point the DPS of the main healer that rarely switch to cleric

[Watachy]

Quote

Yes, i do agree that the point of the OP got a bit knocked down but how can you judge a single player on his achievements ? He can also be the good guy which is trying to build up a solid static group and progress with this group. As i said, build this kind of group is difficult and takes time, thing the OP apparently don't have. Im probably stupid to believe in the OP excuses while his achievements got pointed at but the fact that the game and the raiding content is easier while patches goes on is true (and apparently 3.4 raids gonna be easier too if im not misunderstanding what the DEV Team said).

Basically you can't judge content if you didn't went through it ? That's kinda stupid in my opinion, forum is a place where players can expose their point of view.