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    While it's relevant again, I'd like to go over the Lahabrea / Elidibus [Balance / Hydaelyn is bad] thing with a fine-toothed comb. It's overdue.

    Let me start out by saying that I'm not attempting to dismiss the idea of questioning Hydaelyn; the righteous should welcome doubt, for it can only be overcome, and their position will be all the stronger for it. If Hydaelyn is The Way, She can take some questioning. But that cuts both ways, and the idea of buying what the Ascians are selling raises some concerns for me when subjected to that same level of skepticism.

    There's no denying that we're meant to question to what degree the Light should be spreading. Right off the bat, that begs one question: With how badly Hydaelyn has been losing, are the Ascians even accurate in their characterization of Light overstepping its bounds? Or has the Light just stopped following the millennia-old trend of getting weaker and weaker? If Hydaelyn is pushed back 40 yards and regains 10, She's still not even back to midfield. But let's put that aside for now. Let's assume the Light is really threatening the marches, here.

    Let's start with the big claim by Lahabrea:

    Quote Originally Posted by Lahabrea
    The growing imbalance afflicting the planet must be redressed. If it is permitted to worsen, the very laws of existence─both aetheric and physical─will be warped beyond all recognition. Know you the root of this corruption? Hydaelyn! Like a parasite, She must be burned out if the planet is to recover. And naught but the return of the one true god will ensure Her complete excision.
    Now there's an accusation! But Lahabrea holds it rather inconsistently, casting as much doubt on him as he's heaping on Hydaelyn.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lahabrea
    All that stands between this world and darkness is an irksome anomaly in the aether—the Echo.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lahabrea
    Alas, the gate to the void already stands open. Soon, Darkness shall consume all, and you shall bow down before the one true god.
    Which company line to Lahabrea's minions follow?

    Quote Originally Posted by Masked Magus
    Yesss...writhe! Writhe in eternal darkness!
    And other Ascians on board with his plans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nabriales
    Insatiable hunger of the void! Devour all light and return this world to perfect darkness!
    They spend an uncomfortable amount of time acting like any other creature possessed of the Dark's greed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cloud of Darkness
    In darkness, all is as one. Be it hope or despair, everything is mine to devour. All mortals before the flood of darkness will sink lifeless into the void!
    So let's move on to Elidibus, starting with a line borrowed from French and his talk of cosmic balance:

    Quote Originally Posted by Elidibus (FR)
    Lorsque vous aurez pleinement accepté son pouvoir, l'Écho vous ouvrira les portes de la connaissance. Alors le conflit qui déchire nos deux peuples n'aura plus de raison d'être, tant il est vrai que nous partagerons les mêmes desseins.
    When you fully accept its power, the Echo opens doors to knowledge. Conflict between our peoples would serve no purpose, as we would share the same goal.
    Quote Originally Posted by Elidibus
    Without intervention, the balance between Light and Darkness will begin to shift, placing our mission in jeopardy. Hydaelyn's champion has grown too strong. [Their] might encroaches upon the realm of gods. Equilibrium must needs be restored. The time is come for you and yours to join the fray... Warrior of Darkness.
    A bit more consistent, this one.

    Let's pause to consult our allies. Many have made comments about the Light's role in beckoning the Darkness.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wandering Minstrel
    But Archon Louisoix warned us that shadows will accompany the coming of dawn. In answer to ascendant light, darkness will gather in opposition...or so I interpret his words.
    The Ascians agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ascian of the Twelfth Sword
    Yes... As the Light burns brighter, so, too, are the shadows steeped deeper in Darkness.
    Oddly, our allies usually follow that up with, "We should still purge / banish / cast out / etc. the Dark, tho." Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by Urianger
    Harmony is ne'er truly absent. There lieth a balance in the constant swinging of the pendulum... <...> In the face of such trials, I feared the dawn would at last be overcome and the land shrouded in unending night. Thou hast my gratitude, and my unabashed admiration.
    Quote Originally Posted by Urianger
    In the welcome light of the Astral Era do the primals cast distorted shadows. 'Tis when the realm is filled with such brilliance that the contrasting darkness doth become absolute. Surrender not thy vigilance, for thou art the source of much radiance... <...> ...But be not disheartened. One day, by thy light, the darkness within and without shall be purged, and the Ascians shall taste lasting defeat. We need only have faith.
    Why are even primals quick to champion harmony while denouncing Darkness?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ramuh
    If thou wouldst champion the cause of harmony, I must have proof that thou art fit to play the role. Weather mine ire, and prove to me thereby that thou hast strength enough to stay the darkness which threateneth to consume thee. <...> If man is to be delivered from the Dark, it shall be by thy guiding Light alone. Stray not from the path, for if thou dost, thy people shall be truly lost...
    Back to Elidibus, whose failure to address this niche of the topic I find ... concerning.

    For all his consistency, he's also consistently vague. We would "be of one mind" if we fully accepted the power of the Echo? Why is he not more specific? What if I assumed he meant that literally, a la Ascian Prime, all of our souls crammed into one? What if I assumed he meant that we should all just transcended mortality, Crystal be damned, leave the cycle of the Lifestream, and accept that the death of the world we fought for was fait accompli and for the best? What if he's just assuming that we definitely wouldn't be on board if he was any clearer?

    Notice that zero champions of the Anti-Light crowd have any stake in the status of mortals post-endgame.
    Notice that Hydaelyn was pretty specific about what She expected in such a scenario.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hydaelyn
    [The Light] hath faltered, so hath Darkness risen up in its stead, presaging an end to Life.
    Elidibus says that he's not our enemy, that we'd share his goals, and that he just wants to make things right.
    So, when he had the chance, why didn't he even try to refute that accusation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Elidibus
    These lands, these people, this world─all shall soon change. As it was, so shall it be again. As it should always have been.
    Didn't the Gerun Oracles imply that the "original state" of mortals was "nonexistent"?

    Given the same opportunity to make a return to the good old days sound like a swell idea, Lahabrea somehow managed to do worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lahabrea
    Through the Joining, the world shall become whole again. Then all shall be as once it was─as it should ever have remained. <...> Come, mortals! Render up your souls, that Lord Zodiark might be reborn!
    I'm left feeling equally concerned that 1) Hydaelyn's version of the story is, at best, biased, or at worst, incomplete and misleading. And that 2) agreeing with the Ascians is equivalent to saying, "They have a point. Let's just die." (Okay, maybe I'm a little more concerned about the second one, personally, but objectively they're roughly on par.)

    "If only we had some other ancient third party's opinion."
    - Something I think I saw someone say somewhere probably.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiamat
    Such is my just punishment for consorting with Darkness
    Quote Originally Posted by Midgardsormr
    Come, mortal─we go to cast out the Darkness!
    There are definitely some questions as to the story Hydaelyn would have us believe. But are we also at risk of becoming...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hraesvelgr
    Beguiled by the dark ones' lies
    This seems like a great time to quote the Thaumaturges' Guildmaster...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cocobuki
    Hm hm hm... You think darkness is your ally? Be wary, for darkness bears no allegiances.
    But this is the same lalafell that called bats and slugs voidsent. Sooo... not the most authoritative source.

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