Patch 3.4 - Soul Surrender

[Toranja]

1. Hydaelyn cannot be a Primal. Remember, Primals feast off the aether in land. Were Hydaelyn a Primal, our Planet would be one dry husk. Also, who would be summoning her?

2. I would like to believe that Xephlatol will still be an area in 4.0. We already know much about this region, so it would be too great of a shame to instance it only. But yes, I would understand why it would be instance, given our Ixali relations.

3. It is a safe bet that a library is already being set-up in Idyllshire.

4. My best guess is that the title Soul Surrender applies to the Warriors of Darkness. They have always struck me has Warriors of Light who have failed.

[Nestama]

4. My best guess is that the title Soul Surrender applies to the Warriors of Darkness. They have always struck me has Warriors of Light who have failed.

I doubt this. The Warriors of Darkness exist because the Warrior of Light is currently an imbalance (or so Elidibus claims).

[Morningstar1337]

I doubt this. The Warriors of Darkness exist because the Warrior of Light is currently an imbalance (or so Elidibus claims).

And how do you explain that echo vision then?

[Nestama]

And how do you explain that echo vision then?

The one where they claimed to rid the world of Ascians forever? I have a feeling they were once Warriors of Light themselves (either in a different reality/dimension, or timeline), but after defeating the last Ascian, they inadvertently caused something to manifest (returned everything to the void). They were most likely saved by Elidibus from whatever limbo world they were in and are being tasked to stop us from repeating the same mistake (three Ascian overlords are gone).

Probably.

[Frederick22]

The one where they claimed to rid the world of Ascians forever? I have a feeling they were once Warriors of Light themselves (either in a different reality/dimension, or timeline), but after defeating the last Ascian, they inadvertently caused something to manifest (returned everything to the void). They were most likely saved by Elidibus from whatever limbo world they were in and are being tasked to stop us from repeating the same mistake (three Ascian overlords are gone).

Probably.

So then..... they were not created to "fix the imbalace"

This thing about the imbalance that Edibudus said was alreadydiscused too many times, and still we arent totaly sure if its something real or some a comment that an ascian said beacuse is afraid of failing.
All we know so far is that somehow they are here to oposse the warrior of light, probably a fase of "lets fight fire with fire" more or less.

That echo vision proves that once they were warriors of light, but something drasticaly happened that made them change, voluntary or not.

[Frederick22]

I doubt this. The Warriors of Darkness exist because the Warrior of Light is currently an imbalance (or so Elidibus claims).

Havent you seen the 2.1 cutscenes?
They were once warriors of light, but something happened.

Not again the "Hydaelyn is a primal" thread xD

[Alleo]

I doubt this. The Warriors of Darkness exist because the Warrior of Light is currently an imbalance (or so Elidibus claims).

Funny that Elidibus now claims that we have an imbalance but did not really care about it before we came. I mean Hydaelyn is already losing for quite some time and we are her last hope, so if he wants balance than shouldn't they let us win? Or at least not destroy the realm further? I mean if we lose than its only darkness that remains so imbalance too? Maybe I am too naive but I am staying on Hydaelyn's side. (If the game forces me to go against her than I have to accept it) And I cant just trust the words of Ascians like Lahabrea after all the times that he tried to slaughter all of mankind. If Elidibus knows something that might change our minds than he should just say it..and even if Hydaelyn was the one that started everything I still would not want her death or side with the Ascians, since that would mean the death of everyone else. (At least as far as we know right now)

My theory is that the WoD came from on of the destroyed realms, were WoL once and choose to side with the Ascians for some reasons. Maybe Elidibus told them some lies or maybe they just got corrupted.

I know that balance of light and darkness is a part of FF but I still cant really see how too much light is truly bad. Maybe I have the wrong concept about light itself but even if we dont have the Ascians, we still have ourselves. We are capable of truly bad things and dont really need them to start wars.

[Tenkuu]

I doubt this. The Warriors of Darkness exist because the Warrior of Light is currently an imbalance (or so Elidibus claims).

Are they being used for that purpose? Yes. But I think saying that they actually exist for that purpose is probably a bit much, especially since we know that they were once Warriors of Light.

Just, uh, don't let your expectations get too high initially. The story honestly isn't anything special until Final Coil (which is why some of us are expecting more from this last part of the Alexander story) with the exception of the post-T5 revelation and the T9 cutscenes. Yes, the Final Coil story is really good, but unfortunately, a lot of people like to forget that most people didn't care about the Coil story until people really started to clear T12...

EDIT: Actually, thinking about it, a lot of what made the Final Coil story good was the stuff from T12...but to hear it after going through Heavensward, knowing what we do now...

I would like to hear what people who did the story in reverse (HW -> Coil) think about it...

Maybe you misunderstood what I wrote? I was saying in the same paragraph that I've already cleared T13 a few months ago. As for my expectations, they were high, and they were still surpassed in every instance, from the Binding Coil to the Final Coil. Not to say that I didn't find T10-13 to be the most interesting, but it was cool to see us actually progress to reach that point. Though if I haven't said so before, I had seen the cutscenes before on YouTube because I was afraid I might never get to finish Coils, and I didn't mind the spoilers at all in this case. I simply wanted to have these cutscenes for myself, ie with my character, because it feels more special.

As for Alexander, I had no expectations at all, not even negative ones. However, Mide proved to be an uninteresting character who made decidedly stupid choices, and the Illuminati are no more interesting to me. Not to mention that the very concept of a machine Primal is rather unimpressive and uninspired to me. Right now I just do my weekly Midas for my Midan Gear, but I care nothing for the fight or the story.

[PArcher]

4. My best guess is that the title Soul Surrender applies to the Warriors of Darkness. They have always struck me has Warriors of Light who have failed.

I don't know if "failed" is the right word here.

Its possible they succeeded in stopping the Calamity they set out to...but success brought about a different set of problems that brought about another Calamity and drove them to Elidibus.

(yeah, its more likely they failed to stop the Calamity they were trying to and their reflection was destroyed then and there, and Elidibus saved them...but we don't know for sure yet.)

[Nalien]

1. Hydaelyn cannot be a Primal. Remember, Primals feast off the aether in land. Were Hydaelyn a Primal, our Planet would be one dry husk. Also, who would be summoning her?

Yeah... But Hydaelyn is massive... Like... How do we know what is even going on at that scale? Alexander is large enough to sustain life, apparently... So, hypothetically... What if a group of Goblins, inside Alexander, decided to worship and summon, IDK, Enkidu... Where would Enkidu drain aether from? Hydaelyn or Alexander? He would be summoned inside Alexander, the same way current Primals are summoned on Hydaelyn... I'd imagine he'd drain aether from Alexander, and Alexander might take measures to combat that...

So... Where does Hydaelyn drain aether from? Space? *Looks up in the sky* Oh right, we have Zodiark embodied as the moon, as a dead lifeless husk... Almost as if someone drained all his aether...

As for who summoned Hydaelyn... No idea, not much room to speculate on that, it's a "If God created everything, who created God?" kinda thing... I'm not even sure how many Hydaelyns there are anymore... What with all this talk of alternate realities starting to surface, but even before that we had an oddity with the Blessing of Light... There would seem to be multiple Hydaelyns... Maybe Hydaelyn summoned Hydaelyn... Maybe C-137 Hydaelyn died, and all the people living on it prayed for Hydaelyn to save them, so they summoned C-138 Hydaelyn...