[Spoiler] The Rising Mogstation Update

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Well, I've been jealous of Y'shtola's HW look since I first saw it, so sorry if my skipping take-out one night for a game vanity is too much for cash-shop naysayers to handle.

If you buying it once is too much for them to handle, I should probably not mention how I had to buy two of the Y'shtola sets because I wanted the outfit pieces on one character for glamour, but the hairstyle for a different character who I'd wanted it on forever... and also bought the Thancred set just for the hairstyle.

-coughs- :x

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Are we going to have this fight literally every time the Mogstation releases a new item?
In the end, all i can say is, vote with your wallets.

Yes we are, and we'll keep fighting until one of us concedes.

mighty number 9 only had 4 million to go off of which is very little, and they didn't even give it lots of micro transactions.

all it shows is good hearted people can flop.

Mighty No. 9 had a MUCH smaller goal, which ballooned into 4 million dollars when people threw money at the kickstarter project because fans wanted a classic Mega Man game and raise the middle finger to Capcom who hadn't bothered making a Mega Man game in ages. 4 million dollars for a simple project isn't anything to sneeze at and regardless on whether or not the game had microtransactions, the money was handled very poorly.

[Musashidon]

a simple project

i didn't know making a video game was a simple project.

i brought up transactions because this whole debate is based around them, sure lots of people disliked how mighty number 9 turned out but it wasn't due to corruption/greed it was a game the devs thought the players would like that ended up not that way, and when one person translated a stream they said the producer said *its better than nothing* which isn't true.

he was using a game that would be more suited for his cause than a point against it which struck me as odd.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

I say simple because the game wasn't or probably wasn't going to be as big as it was, but once the money poured in, their ambitions grew huge. Ergo, the project wasn't simple anymore.

[seida]

I think we get plenty of in-game content for our sub, but I also think some of the cash shop items are wayyyyy too expensive. (that fat moogle mount? haha no)

I did get the Y'shtola outfit though, as I've wanted it since it first appeared in the game... plus it's in separate pieces, and the hair is super cute.

Would be much appreciated if it were dyable though. :/

[Jynx]

he was using a game that would be more suited for his cause than a point against it which struck me as odd.

While my over-arching point is micro-transactions aren't always good for games it was a direct contrast to your statement that more money = more everything.

Mighty No.9 was a game that took all that extra money and mismanaged it so poorly that they released a game that was far more mediocre than the budget they raised would be expected. The issue for them was they over-promised what they could deliver and porting to every system possible killed the project mainly, but they mostly blame it on the larger budget they had as it made them focus on more than they could deliver.

It's in stark contrast your opinion that money makes things better, where the game itself failed because it tried to make it follow your exact words.

More Money = More everything.

You also underestimate how far 4 million can take a small development team that doesn't have to worry about overhead costs as much as a publisher backed studio, the game was tiny for the budget they had, looked terrible, played terrible, and as such was received terribly. All that money didn't help them and by their own words hindered them. I wont get too into it unless you really want me too but 4 million for a kickstarter game is amazing and we have seen far better games come out of less.

Wasteland 2 is a good example a 3 million kickstarter that released a great game, and even released a free upgrade to the game that enchanced the whole game with a entirely new engine. The same thing happened with Divinity original Sin, a mere 900k and they revamped the whole game for free. So 4 million for a mediocre game full of mismanagment and blunder is a good case for money not being the best solution to making a good game. A tight budget can actually help more often than not as it makes the developers make sure everything they do counts. Not that I think any of the cash shop money is going into FFXIV anyways.

[Musashidon]

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the extra money let them put it on more consoles, which to many is seen as a bad thing.
they released a game with in all their honesty was what they thought everyone would like, this has less to do with money than with people outright not liking what was made.
while they could have managed things better it doesn't instantly mean that it would have end up better than it did. (this goes back to how you look at it)

be it a kickstarter or a real company a game is a game, there will always be bad/good games that had little funding and bad/good games with lots of funding. it's a risk no matter what.

[Jynx]

The money didn't just let them put it on more consoles they pretty much cite it as the reason the game turned out so poorly. Spin it all you like the developers themselves blamed the money.

[Reinha]

I think the problem with that is that for anti cash shop players to do this in a way that "hurts" SE, they'd pretty much have to unsubscribe over it, as for the most part hating the Mogstation but continuing to stay subbed is really just keeping the status quo, and it's a bit unreasonable for anyone to unsubscribe over cosmetics (and with no surveys or anything, impossible for the devs to know that was WHY you unsubbed).

So realistically, all anti-CS players can do is make their displeasure known on the forums and whatnot.

Not buying anything from the Mog Station is also a form of voting with your wallet. You don't necessarily need to unsub to show your stance on the matter. If enough people don't buy anything from the store they probably won't make (as many) exclusives to be sold there in the future. It's the same as when nobody buys a certain item from the grocery store; at some point the store is going to have to stop ordering that item in because it's a loss of money to keep it in their selection. Reversed, when enough people buy a certain type of product the shop will deem it profitable to keep making/offering them.

[loreleidiangelo]

Not buying anything from the Mog Station is also a form of voting with your wallet. You don't necessarily need to unsub to show your stance on the matter. If enough people don't buy anything from the store they probably won't make (as many) exclusives to be sold there in the future. It's the same as when nobody buys a certain item from the grocery store; at some point the store is going to have to stop ordering that item in because it's a loss of money to keep it in their selection. Reversed, when enough people buy a certain type of product the shop will deem it profitable to keep making/offering them.

All they need are enough people to buy the item to cover the cost of developing the art assets or whatever for it. In my experience, that is not a huge amount of money. If only 1,000 people bought cash shop stuff at SE's prices it would still turn a profit, and 1,000 players is like .2% of the playerbase. Meanwhile, the other 499,000 don't like the shop but don't unsub over it, so the shop is "profitable", thus the shop stays. But if 50,000 people cared enough to unsubscribe over it, then the executives at SE might re-think their addition of it.

Do you understand the point I'm trying to make with this? It doesn't take a huge number of people buying Mogstation stuff for the store to be "worth SE's time". Someone even posted a Lodestone scrape that PROVED that not many people were buying the Mogstore stuff (highest was EB with like 11% of players buying at least the $10 version), and yet they keep adding more and more crap to it.