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    Garotte14's Avatar
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    Alayna Lazriel
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    Gilgamesh
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    Red Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Aikaal View Post
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    Welcome back. You're not wrong in your Thunder discussion. Thunder should most definitely be in a BLM's rotation. As far as Sharp > T1 on a single target, this is highly debatable. Now you can sit and throw numbers and math out all day long, but there are two things to take into consideration. 1) There is no way to quantify any math on Thunder + TCIII procs, because there are just too many possibilities. 2) It really does all depend strictly on the situation. Math does not take into consideration what Firestarter does by refreshing AF. Also movement plays a big factor. Especially in extremely long duration movement sections where having thunder ticking would be much more beneficial because of the % of additional procs during that movement, I would always recommend Sharp > T1 in that scenario.


    Using Thunder > B4 > Fire III > TC proc > is definitely not optimal if you are sacrificing a Fire IV. Which isn't as much an issue now since our SS is so much higher. Yes, we know for certain that a TC proc with one tick is a higher PPS than Fire IV. That's also not the whole scenario because you can't just compare PPS against 1 spell vs another because of clipping on both ends. You have to take the PPS of the whole rotation which is where things get really tricky, because like I said before, you can't predict additional procs and when they will happen.

    Regardless, its good to see you back. And btw, not sure if you've seen this. Take a look and let me know if you have any insight.

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iws0GeBJv2fJLJOJX4TyywPy6f0x_eR5uHMC8EiyGLI/edit?usp=sharing
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    Zuzu Belloq
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    Behemoth
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Sharp > Thunder seems to be the biggest potency increase in most if not all cases but sometimes if I know I'll have to move I like to sharp my Fire so I gain more mobility, keep Astral Fire with more ease while positioning myself better. Not only that, Thunder proc chances in a single dot apply are lower than then a Firestarter in a single Fire cast though but yes, I'm relying on RNG to keep big numbers and in the end the loss isn't that huge if you do that only sometimes. So its up to playstyles I think. But I don't know, I'm just started tring to maximize my BLM recently so I can be saying wrong stuff. Please correct me if I'm wrong. :P

    I now wonder whats the chance of proc for Thunder in a single dot apply. I'm bad at math.
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    Last edited by zuzu-bq; 08-27-2016 at 06:46 AM.

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    Aikaal Leyma
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Oh hi, I'm waiting my week of 8 days of work to be done and I might take a look at it mainly for the Piety stuff. I did check already but I'm really not a big fan of books lol. I'm the kind that usually explore the job first then I ask min max questions so this kind of work isn't for me xD

    It looks pretty good for someone that has zero knowledge on Black Mage. I do plan on doing an update soon for the openers, I'm using new openers but I haven't compared them yet so I need to work on that xD
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