SCH / WAR getting changes to not be so dominate in EX-pac

[gehrtalert]

Screw SCH and WAR. Those are the only 2 jobs I haven't bothered to level at all for anything except cross-class skills. I hope they get some attention during the expansion. Not much, just enough so everyone isn't looking for a SCH for raid groups. Balancing the classes a little better would be awesome if you ask me.

[mosaicex]

we will balance all jobs as a whole including new actions to balance them out.

So multiple new actions basically confirmed? Not sure what to feel about this.

[SpookyGhost]

Screw SCH and WAR. Those are the only 2 jobs I haven't bothered to level at all for anything except cross-class skills. I hope they get some attention during the expansion. Not much, just enough so everyone isn't looking for a SCH for raid groups. Balancing the classes a little better would be awesome if you ask me.

[Gemina]

To be clear, it's not a discussion about nerfs. Warrior and Scholar can remain as effective as ever. The issue is needing to increase the utility of other jobs so they can be balanced well against warrior and scholar, increasing the amount of viable choices for savage raid progression groups instead of there just being certain ones which are so obviously necessary. Balancing is a job that is never finished.

I know it isn't about nerfs. I just don't want their attempts to bring balance to all classes to end up tipping the scales the other direction. I've seen this happen. They take the unique aspects of a class that makes them so powerful and disseminate them to the other classes, and they go from the most needed in endgame to the least, or their role is severely reduced taking away the challenge of playing the job. This is what happened to RDM in XI. I don't want to see the same thing happen to SCH or WAR in XIV.

I'm holding them to it when they say they are trying to be careful.

[Rufalus]

I know it isn\\'t about nerfs. I just don\\'t want their attempts to bring balance to all classes to end up tipping the scales the other direction. I\\'ve seen this happen. They take the unique aspects of a class that makes them so powerful and disseminate them to the other classes, and they go from the most needed in endgame to the least.

Oh I see. Well for what it's worth, they never stop balancing this game. If the latest adjustments made warrior or scholar into the least desirable job somehow, they'd see it in the data and adjust things again until we're at a place of no jobs being significantly more or less popular than the others. They've tried adjusting DRK's PvP performance like 5 times and they are still trying to get it right.

[CBellz]

Will be interesting to see how they'll buff other classes to compete. With WAR it's fairly straightforward if you don't mind homogenizing classes, you could just give the other tank classes path and slashing debuffs and give them new cooldowns while tweaking DPS a little. Yoshi-P admitted though that it's difficult to balance around SCH because of the fairy.

[Reinha]

I hope they bring out a 4th tank and healer. It would be easier to balance 4 jobs with one another because they wouldn't have to make sure everyone is compatible with everyone, as they could just balance "main" tanks/healers and "off" tanks/healers to be equal to their counterpart (like WHM and Diurnal AST). They could use new party buffs, overwrites or some other mechanic to discourage the use of two "off" tanks/healers in an 8 man for their dps. This way WAR and SCH would have to compete with another job for the "off" tank/healer role in a party unlike now.

[Nekotee]

I do also hope that they get ride of the whm stacking regen which is fairly unfair when you got double whm vs double AST

I'm frustrated to see diurnal being overwrite while medica II stay

[CookieMonsta]

I do also hope that they get ride of the whm stacking regen which is fairly unfair when you got double whm vs double AST

I'm frustrated to see diurnal being overwrite while medica II stay

I'd rather they allow stacking AST regens/buffs instead of removal. People that want removal generally want it out of spite.

[Nekotee]

Yeah of course just like gender lock on clothe
It's either remove both or lock both

In that case I would love to have stacking AST buff (not card, i do find it normal that card overwrite)
But... Poor whm it might kill him XD