It’s also all but a given that the expansion will include at least two new jobs.

[Starkbeaumont]

I think there's a major imbalance in tanks, with Warrior's high dps not balanced out by negatives because it also has good mitigation, self-healing, support. I would like to see Dark Knight catch up a little in single target dps ...

the difference isn't as high as ppl claim to be. as MT drk probably pulls ahead anyway. war's biggest boost in this case is the ability to put up the slashing debuff by themself. all of it's attacks are on the gcd, it's kinda slow this way. also it's biggest mitigation tool is also on the gcd and requires wrath stacks. that sometimes means you have to hold back to survive.

on topic. as I said in another thread I'm expecting 2 DPS. they could add 10 tank jobs, but it won't change the fact that ppl don't play tanks...

[Alistaire]

the difference isn't as high as ppl claim to be. as MT drk probably pulls ahead anyway. war's biggest boost in this case is the ability to put up the slashing debuff by themself. all of it's attacks are on the gcd, it's kinda slow this way. also it's biggest mitigation tool is also on the gcd and requires wrath stacks. that sometimes means you have to hold back to survive.

on topic. as I said in another thread I'm expecting 2 DPS. they could add 10 tank jobs, but it won't change the fact that ppl don't play tanks...

People don't play tanks that suck. And we only have 2 that don't as far as most roulettes go. #AddDamageToFlash

[Supersun]

It could be interesting to see a DPS healer that uses Drain type spells that heal people in the party for a portion of how much damage they do. Then perhaps some type of spell that lets you lower your HP to increase the maximum HP of a target temporarily.

I mean there's plenty of design space for additional healers. The problem with Ast is they tried to make it a white mage and a scholar that switches with stances, but couldn't make it as good as either since Regen and Stone III would be broken on Sch while Shields and Bane would be broken on Whm so it ended up without the best of either.

[Alistaire]

It could be interesting to see a DPS healer that uses Drain type spells that heal people in the party for a portion of how much damage they do. Then perhaps some type of spell that lets you lower your HP to increase the maximum HP of a target temporarily.

I mean there's plenty of design space for additional healers. The problem with Ast is they tried to make it a white mage and a scholar that switches with stances, but couldn't make it as good as either since Regen and Stone III would be broken on Sch while Shields and Bane would be broken on Whm so it ended up without the best of either.

So you mean a healer that wouldn't be able to do anything unless people are fighting stuff? And diurnal AST ended up pretty fine compared to WHM.

[Ceasaria]

Concerning eventual nerf for Scholar, what I think is we don't look at the real problem.
Scholar was already nerf and didn't get much useful skills for this extension (lvl58 and lvl60 are very very situational).

The real problem is White Mage with the skills he got from Heavensward can solo content most of the time, thanks to Asylum, Assize and Tetra (which cost no mana).
Without that, he would have problem of mana, what he had for Realm Reborn. That's why, in Realm Reborn Scholar had to help White Mage.
I must admit fairy help a lot, but for me, they give too much powerful tools to the White Mage and even Astromancien (who is even better for keep is mana).

In the end, Scholar is fine, Astro need a rework anyway for his cards and stances, and White Mage need a nerf.

[Alistaire]

They'll do the same thing to WAR and SCH that they did to NIN in HW, tone down the new skills so that at the end of it all, it's where they think it should be.

And neither SCH nor WAR are "fine" now. It shows not just in how everyone wants one of those for raid, but those are the 2 jobs you see soloing content other jobs wouldn't have a chance at.

[Nekotee]

In the Famicom interview yoshida stated the opposite
Sch and war might be a bit ahead
And they will push all the other at those 2 level

For the 4.0 of course nothing before

The only meeeh skill from HW sch is the 60 one...
All the other are awesome

[Ceasaria]

In the Famicom interview yoshida stated the opposite
Sch and war might be a bit ahead
And they will push all the other at those 2 level
For the 4.0 of course nothing before

So White Mage will have a better MP management and will do more damage than Scholar ?
It's not a good idea at all.
Instead, if they nerf MP management for the White Mage, Scholar would have to heal more than now.
But i think he should have a skill for reduction damages, at least, maybe allow Stoneskin II in combat with a 60 sec CD, something like that.

[ADVSS]

A little more information to throw into the discussion.
But anyways, I do think we can discuss new ideas without too much fear about "how will it fit in the current meta?", because it sounds like the current meta will not survive the next expac.

"Yoshida wonders why so many people are obsessed with their "own DPS" rather than the "Total DPS" of the party and he said the development team balances DPS based on the averaged out DPS of the whole party (Probably talking about Dragoon's BL and Ninja's TA)"

Hasnt the community been asking for a support/debuffer/buffer role for like forever?
as far as war and sch, kind of funny how dps-intended classes end up being incomparable in other roles? i have to admit it was pretty amazing how a dps gets 5 job skills and is still a very good healer job(by 50)

Edit: I see nothing wrong with war and sch being good, what id like them to do is look at what makes them good and bring the other jobs up in a way that shines, we dont need another barrier healer, but maybe one that does a different type of healing that makes it favorable: Drainstrikes from the drg 60 quest as a spell castable on tank, then bubble/reverse there are some nasty healing spells from ff12 i just absolutely love - stuff like this

[Supersun]

So you mean a healer that wouldn't be able to do anything unless people are fighting stuff?

-.-

...it's a two sentence example

I thought it would be redundant and unnecessary to say, "Oh and it also has a Cure/Physic/Benefic type spell like every other healer before it"...

and even if it didn't would a healer really not have any other healer to cross class from?

and even if that weren't the case is there absolutely no way to design it to work?