Thoughts for a bard song

[Awful]

There's a few issues I can think of when introducing a new song for Brd:

1) Mch have to have them in some way be it hypercharge or whatever

2)Might be too OP or make classes invaluable, as it stands you can do content with all classes none are excluded

3)More skill bloat. Idk about you but i'm running out of keybinds.

I'm worried about what they're going to make next I don't hate Brd or Mch I personally enjoy them but these 2 are going to be the ones that need the most retuning or rebalancing in a way. Gods only know what we'll get in 4.0.

[Jim_Berry]

BRD should get a Limit Break Lv3 buff song.

Gives bonus to all stats (attack, defense, STR, DEX, INT, etc), HP Regen, MP Regen, TP Regen, and Haste for 10 seconds.

[Yeol]

1) Mch have to have them in some way be it hypercharge or whatever

Correct..

Back on topic, during Bard job quest the NPC has 3 other songs.

1) Reduce damage taken by 10%
2) Restore HP gradually to party members
3) Increase dps of party members (something similar to balance)

All the songs comes with the cost of personal dps.

[FeliAiko]

There'd be even less reason to take a Monk then (Mantra).

You'd still want to take a MNK. The combination of Mantra plus this BRD idea would be strong as hell alone, before you throw in SCH and Eos abilities.

Personally I'd like to see another debuff song, but I can't think of one that wouldn't throw off the balance with Machinists completely. Shame on SE for creating another class that is functionally similar to Bard in terms of support. :/

Only real similarity support wise is the MP/TP regen. MCHs can boost physical DPS (including their own) and magic users (BRD can only do the latter), have a Silence and Stun (BRD only has the former), a Bind and Slow (again, BRD only has the former), and can mitigate physical and magic damage (BRD can do neither). The only things BRD can do that MCH can't is preemptively remove a debuff before it occurs, and aid in healer DPS via Rain of Death (but healers meld to meet acc caps anyway, so this one doesn't really count).

One idea I had was for BRDs to get a counter part to Dismantle/Rend Mind, but instead of applying a debuff to a target you instead apply a buff to the party that reduces incoming damage by x%. Unlike MCHs, which is based on whether the damage is physical/magical, BRDs version would be based on the potency of the incoming damage, so would operate similar to AST's Disable.

[Silver-Strider]

This is my BRD song
I give MP song
I'm now a Mage song

Blunt Arrow's on cooldown
Did my rotation wrong
I'll sing my BRD song

And I don't really care
What anyone else believes
We already have enough utility

[Risvertasashi]

Hmm. First, thanks to those that contributed their ideas to the discussion.


However, to those that are essentially "But what about X job?"--
If devs/designers went into it with that attitude, we wouldn't have half of the HW abilities for ANY job. Don't worry so much about other jobs. Whatever we get for the next expac, all the others will share in it. MCH will get cool stuff. MNK will get cool stuff. And so on.

This, however, is a discussion about bard, and not those jobs. If you think my or anyone else's ideas here don't fit the job because bard already has enough utility/needs moar DPS, or is just not thematic, or whatever else. Cool. But if you do agree with one of them, also cool.

But, please, the "but what about MCH!?" posts are cringey. If you want something for MCH (or another job), by all means make a thread for it. Otherwise, rest assured they'll get however much or little everyone else gets when 4.0 launches.

And, again, thank you to those that stayed on topic and shared your ideas.

[ruskie]

What I want to see for bard going forward:


- whispering dawn type of aoe heal - either a ogcd CD - could even combo it with a consumes such and such MP on triggering it or consumes mp while reducing dps output
- bleeding shot - basically a physical resistance down debuff on a single target - with a 90s CD - I'm kinda opposed to a song that works like an aoe balance
- haste song - basically fey wind - consumes MP while up
- while I would like to see a ogcd combat rez on bard I doubt it'll happen but that would be nice - still should consume MP one way or another
- I still argue that the bard LB should be a buffs/helps restore resources all LB or the healer LB - maybe modified healer LB - but I do admit I would miss saggitarius arrow - gimme an option which one I can use...
- honestly I'd miss the casting by now - and I do in potd - just gotten so used to it - but we do lack something like rapid fire from mch to be able to have a bit of an extra movement with our main skills instead of feint spam
- I'm sure there's more stuff I forgot(since I wrote similar stuff in other threads) but that's about it

And just a P.S.: And I'd argue mch should get a different skillset from this. Maybe more defensive/offensive focused with another turret that gives like a damage resistance up and other such.

[Alistaire]

This is the problem we have SE totally messed up with MCH/BRD. Ok fine maybe not totally as they work, but they are now stuck in a situation it would be incredibly difficult to get them out of. Give BRD a song that increases healing? Well MCH needs to get that too (or something similar) otherwise it'll be left out, repeat this add infititum.

The situtation isn't a good one for both jobs.

It's not a problem though. This is just a silly idea thread. Obviously if he meant for a new thing to be implemented, you wouldn't just suggest 1 job get a new thing unless it needed it for balance reasons. Clearly the next time BRD will actually get a new song is when there's a new level cap, and then it'd be easily balanced between them and MCH with whatever they get.

[SaitoHikari]

You'd still want to take a MNK. The combination of Mantra plus this BRD idea would be strong as hell alone, before you throw in SCH and Eos abilities.

That's assuming the devs decide they want to have both stack, which given history, won't happen. So either we get a useless new song, or the only support MNK has becomes slightly less important.

Although if both are used separately, then maybe...

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I want a song that buffs the party by allowing DoT effects inflicted against enemies to last +10 seconds. That'd be a sight to behold, though deliberately benefiting some classes more than others. Hmm, but I guess that would make Scholars pull ahead of the other two healers even moreso than they already do.

Maybe an ability cooldown reduction song. Something to use during phase transitions if the others aren't hurting on MP/TP, I guess.

[MiraKershaw]

Make swift song usable in combat with a CD increases speed by 30% for a set time