Bard and Wanderer's Minuet use it

[Astyrah]

I remember this one.

I still think WM and GB are lame. If BRDs and MCHs running around was too powerful just make a few of their more powerful abilities cast by default. To simulate lining up that high damage super shot.

Most of your abilities suddenly needing to be cast at 52 is way too jarring and absolute. Machinist especially has no excuse for letting you utilize the run and gun playstyle for so long, the job was made especially for 3.0.

atleast MCH can get away with ammo and rapid fire. with enough skillspeed though it doesn't feel that bad as bard, but it's still clunky and i hope 4.0 gives us some sort of fix - i'm sure SE is aware of all the WM/GB complaints due to the sudden playstyle shift during 3.0 launch week til 3.1 and hope they'd be careful not to repeat the same mistake again

[RLofOBFL]

Reading the first page is funny....I bet they've all reformed into castors now MWAHAHAHA

[AlphaFox]

To be honest I don't get the hate. I only leveled to about 34 before I got bored before HW. All I heard from everyone is "Bard is ruined" "it sucks now" and I kinda just decided to follow that idea and ignore it further. Got bored and leveled it and once I got a few more skills I started to enjoy it. When I got WM it was a change but honestly I felt no real change in combat. You still have to wait for the CD anyway which by the time you cast off you still have like .5 secs before you can recast anyway so still have time to move or maneuver in between.

Just overall, I personally am loving Bard as is. MCH on the other hand, maybe same if I get it to 60 but something about it as a whole still rubs me wrong.

[Jandor]

MCH on the other hand, maybe same if I get it to 60 but something about it as a whole still rubs me wrong.

Same. I've got it sat half way into 58 and I just look at it and think 'uuuuuuugh'.

Still, so close, got to finish it!

[EdwinLi]

Wow this been necro from the era before they buffed Bard and MCH

Same. I've got it sat half way into 58 and I just look at it and think 'uuuuuuugh'.

Still, so close, got to finish it!

MCH GB is actually mostly unnoticable at max level. You can spend a entire fight with GB on even during a AoE heavy boss fight due to it have a lot of instant cast skills with GB on. Only time there is any 1.5 sec cast is on split shot, hot shot, and lead shot. Every other skill remains instant cast and using Rapid fire will turn split, hot, and lead shot into instant cast as well.

Always load ammo using Quick Reload and Reload so you can always use slug shot and clean shot since those two skills are instant cast. Weaving in the GCD skills is also important since those are instant cast as well. MCH is considered one of the highest Burst Damage Jobs now which is why it is in the Raid tier.

MCH with GB on is far more mobile than a Bard with WM on to the point that you don't need to take it off to stay mobile.

[DreamAngel-Ren]

Wanderer's Minuet is my best friend! I use it all the time when my bard goes into battle; it really does make the dps stronger. I think the main reason why some bards refuse to use it because they can't stay still which I don't get why they have to move around so much. The only time I move is when there's an AOE below me or the tank is pulling the mobs away from my attack range.

[AskaRay]

Who brought this back


A year later and I still like WM. There's still no reason to NOT use it.

[FoxyAreku]

WM is much more aesthetically pleasing when you realize that it's not really 'casting', but your character 'aiming' the shot.

Machinist flailing their gun around like it's a magic wand I have no excuse though, however.

[Moomba33]

I use WM to avoid holding groups back but I still hate it.
Bard at 50 felt very fast and fluid while at 60 it feels slow and sluggish to me. I'm still convinced they created this system for Mch and then stapled it onto Bard for balance or whatever.
At least I can still run around in Palace of the Dead lower levels and synced content I guess.

[Norleas]

I don't play BRD much but I play MCH, and to me it's more fun having the ability to freely move while shooting, but at least with MCH if they combo their slug shot and clean shot it's instant cast. Plus they have gauss round and ricochet which are instant cast (while the bard's abilities that need Wanderer's have cast time I think).