How is this Balanced? (Bard)

[Zojha]

That's why there aren't many good healers and everyone loves to blame them for not healing through the burst when they were stunlocked, silenced or slept.

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I can imagine every job being hard when your character is unable to act. Just sayin'.

[Nakanishi]

Bards are weak outside of their burst windows. Everyone knows this. This is also part of the problem. How is it good to balance a class entirely around a 2+ minute burst window? If that burst gets shut down, bards are a joke. This means that in party queue bards are useless, and in solo queue they are still useless if they go against a good PLD. In all other cases, their burst is over the top and can do 13k+ damage in under a second.

It doesn't matter which way you spin it, they are designed very poorly right now.

BRD's burst window is every 90s/120s (You don't have to wait for Raging to 100 - 0). BRD/MCH have similar lul periods when they have no cds. Difference being that most brds don't capitalize on Bloodletter procs to pump out meaningful damage during that time, where as MCH just has to worry about lead shot and slug/clean shot procs to keep up the pressure. Other jobs such as DRG/NIN have high burst every 80s/90s as well, but a siginficantly more braindead lul period. Before you think you can one up me, yes drg/nin has fetter, but yes BRD has paean leaving MCH defenseless to sleep/bind shutdown. Hell if BLM can shutdown BRD/MCH/SMN it sounds like the only viable range for party queue. Not going to go into more detail. Bad BRDs are useless (just like any other bad player), Good BRDs are deadly (just like a good player does to any dps job).

Work on your awareness, learn the abilities/cds of other jobs, and their strengths/weaknesses.

[itsoni]

I do think it needs a small nerf. If you take a look at the damage you received he wasn't actually using the full combo - it's missing a further 2k damage from BL and BA. Misery's end too but the animation on that takes so long it's pretty useless. It's just a no-brainer burst. You just put buffs up, make sure you have the CD's and gg; if the healer isn't prepared it's a guaranteed kill. It takes no skill whatsoever aside from just choosing the correct time to do it. Something that easy to pull off every 90/120 seconds should not be doing that much damage.

It should be about returns on skill. The more skill you have with the class, the more damage you should do. When someone says "Wow that's a good melee/MCH" you know there's a degree of skill the player has which can't be achieved in one conversation. When someone says "Wow that's a good BRD" they actually mean the BRD hoards all his CD's until barrage is up.

[Koltik]

When someone says "Wow that's a good BRD" they actually mean the BRD hoards all his CD's until barrage is up.

Completely accurate. It's actually the bard joke on Primal - you are a league ahead of other bards if you know how to hoard your CD's and use them all at once.

[Dimitrii]

It should be about returns on skill. The more skill you have with the class, the more damage you should do. When someone says "Wow that's a good melee/MCH" you know there's a degree of skill the player has which can't be achieved in one conversation. When someone says "Wow that's a good BRD" they actually mean the BRD hoards all his CD's until barrage is up.

Is this a typo and you meant to actually put BLM there or something? Both MCH and BRD burst are equally cheezy. Its just with BRD if you have tanks/whms/cc users paying attention you can actually shut down a significant portion of BRD burst before it even goes off. Barrage has a 10 sec duration and is a major source of that burst. No other job that I'm aware of can have such a significant part of their burst totally prevented by situational awareness. The other half of the burst is no scarier than what jobs like DRG can already do. If you wanna nerf shit then nerf ALL jobs to have a dmg cap of 3 to 4k on any one ability then and enjoy your battles of attritions between heals. Because in the end that is what everyone is complaining about. They complained about it from WAR when they were able to hit 6k+ dmg in PVP and are complaining about it from BRD barrage/Empyreal Arrow and MCH Between the Eyes. Dont be disingenuous we all know no one would give two shits about the Farshot/Sidewinder/Misery's End/Bloodletter/etc portion of the burst had the Barrage+Empyreal Arrow part not existed.

[itsoni]

Both MCH and BRD burst are equally cheezy.

It does have a degree of skill that can't be achieved in 1 conversation. Is this a post about MCH? No it's not. I've even said before in other threads MCH needs nerfing also because of how cheesy BtE is. Stop nitpicking parts of the post and trying to create an argument out of nothing. If you've got nothing better to do just go for a walk.

If you wanna nerf shit then nerf ALL jobs to have a dmg cap of 3 to 4k on any one ability then and enjoy your battles of attritions between heals. Because in the end that is what everyone is complaining about.

That's a terrible idea. I dont know why you'd want to incorporate that. If you're trying to say that's what I'm asking for then you're completely delusional. Read my completely unedited post again and stop putting forward ideas that would never work.

Dont be disingenuous we all know no one would give two shits about the Farshot/Sidewinder/Misery's End/Bloodletter/etc portion of the burst had the Barrage+Empyreal Arrow part not existed.

Who's being disingenuous? What's your argument here? It's non existant. Obviously the problem is the whole combination. Are you reading the same thread as everyone else is? I've said jobs should have returns on skill based play. Hoarding CD's and pressing 4-6 buttons to make a difference once every 2 minutes with 11-14k damage, in the space of 2 seconds, isn't skill. MCH has a bit more skill simply because of its higher utility and the sheer number of CD's you can take advantage of given the situation you're in.

Try again.

[Evangela]

If SMN got nerfed, I don't see why BRD and MCH shouldn't be nerfed. And SMN combo can be interrupted by the target. You also have 4-5 seconds to realize that a SMN is trying to build up to Deathflare on you.

[Dimitrii]

Who's being disingenuous? What's your argument here? It's non existant. Obviously the problem is the whole combination. Are you reading the same thread as everyone else is? I've said jobs should have returns on skill based play. Hoarding CD's and pressing 4-6 buttons to make a difference once every 2 minutes with 11-14k damage, in the space of 2 seconds, isn't skill. MCH has a bit more skill simply because of its higher utility and the sheer number of CD's you can take advantage of given the situation you're in.

I'm gonna ignore all your nonsense about MCH and accusing me of bringing it into the discussion since if you just took 2 seconds to look up you would see you opened its burst up for debate with your own comment. Now please explain to me how bard saving their buffs for their burst is any different from the other dps? There is no difference. That is my point. What you are complaining about is not the Sidewinder/Farshot/etc part of the burst. You are complaining about the Barrage/Empyrean Arrow side of it which when combined with the other half is what makes BRD burst feel godly. Don't act like the burst for melees or MCH are so intricate cause they aren't.

What exactly do you want to do to the burst if not reduce the dmg? Because I can pretty much guarantee if the burst did half the dmg it did now this thread wouldn't exist. Disregarding your horrific sense of time in claiming the burst takes all of 2 seconds to perform, the fact of the matter is the total dmg of the burst is what is irking ppl not the difficulty with which the burst is performed. You arguing otherwise is what I mean by saying you are being disingenuous. How are you gonna make buffing up for your burst before actually bursting an intricate and demanding skill like you claim the melees and MCH have? Btw no I do not want there to be a cap on dmg dealt but thats the way ppl are heading towards. They nerfed WAR cause of its 6k+ double fell cleaves. They nerfed MCH between the eyes (though to their credit they didnt fold completely on that). And they want BRD burst nerfed now. It has nothing to do with the skill lvl needed to burst so get real.

[KenjiMuyo]

They should buff bard damage

[KenjiMuyo]

You should change the title of this thread to knives does 60k dmg a game