Let's talk about Hunts - a detailed rundown of their assumed mechanics

[Bloody]

So, either people did some ninja killing, or Agrippa and Pale Rider force timers have been adjusted in some way. Was grouped up tonight and hit a map in each zone after reaching force on both of them, neither showed up to the party. One of the folks even had been at the previous Agrippa killing so we knew ToD.

[Leknaat]

So, either people did some ninja killing, or Agrippa and Pale Rider force timers have been adjusted in some way. Was grouped up tonight and hit a map in each zone after reaching force on both of them, neither showed up to the party. One of the folks even had been at the previous Agrippa killing so we knew ToD.

I'm going to assume if he hasn't been ninja'd that Pale has the same force as all the other 3.0s at 144 hours (I tried 2 at 137 hours and go nada for pale)

Assuming my one experience with a 104+ hour Agrippa wasn't a fluke like I thought it was. It popped 2 hours after my 104 hour try so.... hopefully max is 106 hours. (Or he has a hidden minimum # of maps done to pop which seems unlikely)

142 hours in still no Pale.

104:20ish Agrippa
145:26 Pale

[NoboruSouma]

I'm going to assume if he hasn't been ninja'd that Pale has the same force as all the other 3.0s at 144 hours (I tried 2 at 137 hours and go nada for pale)

Assuming my one experience with a 104+ hour Agrippa wasn't a fluke like I thought it was. It popped 2 hours after my 104 hour try so.... hopefully max is 106 hours. (Or he has a hidden minimum # of maps done to pop which seems unlikely)

142 hours in still no Pale.

104:20ish Agrippa
145:26 Pale

No threshold for S Ranks. It's either %ish or "it's open or not".

But yes, we experienced a lot of Agrippa spawns that are way over his so called maxium spawn as well. The thing is that he can spawn with every lvl50 map that's located in Mor Dhona.
The thing I'm thinking about is: There are four maps located in Mor Dhona that can spawn him: Boarskin - Toadskin - Peisteskin - Unhidden Map. What if every spawn needs a different map and that's why his spawn may or may not be delayed from time to time? That's the only thing I can think about right now because I don't think that his maximum spawn is that much higher than Safat's - if at all.

And Pale is .. well, yeah .. the same as most of the HW S Ranks. I still don't believe that they share the same maximum spawn. At least KB and BoP are lower for us than Ganda (I hate him .. always waiting for his forced spawn ..), Leucrotta, Senmurv and Pale if I remember correctly.

The other thing that I think confirms my idea with the Agrippa Spawn a little bit is this: After every maintenance our Agrippa will most likely not spawn before Pale has been killed. We noticed this many times now.

By the way: in my experience the only S Rank that gets ninja'd for sure is Nandi. Every other we usually notice or guildworks user are doing the work for us if it happens at night or so.



UPDATE: We just did every lvl50 map that's located in MD (so much gil wasted ..) and we didn't get a spawn (yet he's missing for hours ..). So I will just call my theory busted myself.

[Leknaat]

No threshold for S Ranks. It's either %ish or "it's open or not".

Pretty much my assumption. 137 was one of my arbitrary assumption numbers since I've rarely seen a 3.0 go past 144-145. (since I assume 85 for pale vs 92 for something like semmy/leucrotta) 144-7 came up with 137ish. clearly that was not the case. Otherwise I assume they're open or they're not or some % chance but this bloody agrippa is driving me insane.

UPDATE: We just did every lvl50 map that's located in MD (so much gil wasted ..) and we didn't get a spawn (yet he's missing for hours ..). So I will just call my theory busted myself.

I've seen it pop enough times from maps not inside the Castrum to say the "must be a map in the castrum" conditional is false. So... what are the other variables we could be missing? T_T; Ours is sitting at 124+ hours since last kill. Do alexandrite maps not work (Since I didn't see that listed)? I just tried one myself and had no luck on hyperion :/

[NoboruSouma]

Pretty much my assumption. 137 was one of my arbitrary assumption numbers since I've rarely seen a 3.0 go past 144-145. (since I assume 85 for pale vs 92 for something like semmy/leucrotta) 144-7 came up with 137ish. clearly that was not the case. Otherwise I assume they're open or they're not or some % chance but this bloody agrippa is driving me insane.

We also had a few Semmy's that windows were open for half an hour. So it's either: his window opens earlier than we think or you can start the fate-chain before his window opens. Which doesn't make sense since you can't know when the fate will start or not. So I think his minimum spawn is at something like 85 hours as well. Five Cerf's Up can take up to more than five hours to complete if RNG is mad again.

I've seen it pop enough times from maps not inside the Castrum to say the "must be a map in the castrum" conditional is false. So... what are the other variables we could be missing? T_T; Ours is sitting at 124+ hours since last kill. Do alexandrite maps not work (Since I didn't see that listed)? I just tried one myself and had no luck on hyperion :/

Yeah, I've seen it pop that way often as well. Hell, even from a map that's not located on the castrum side at all. As far as I know the alexandrite maps do not work. I think because it's very easy to obtain them - at least I've never seen a spawn that way.
We also thought about "the higher the difficulty of the map the higher the chance of a spawn" which goes hand in hand with the %ish thing. BUT .. if he doesn't spawn even at the maximum spawn .. then I really am out of ideas for now. :/

[Leknaat]

Yeah, I've seen it pop that way often as well. Hell, even from a map that's not located on the castrum side at all. As far as I know the alexandrite maps do not work. I think because it's very easy to obtain them - at least I've never seen a spawn that way.
We also thought about "the higher the difficulty of the map the higher the chance of a spawn" which goes hand in hand with the %ish thing. BUT .. if he doesn't spawn even at the maximum spawn .. then I really am out of ideas for now. :/

He's only become this ridiculous recently. Although this current one takes the cake. I'm hoping it's just a bug and SE will ninja fix it eventually.

Edit: I had a weird thought aftr sleepign over it... what if the location of the map/treasure chest is a 'landmine' lik a general map area like 'castrum' 'fogfens' 'rathefrost'? And unless you get a map for that spot it won't pop? (Yeah I know I'm stretching) lol.

[NoboruSouma]

He's only become this ridiculous recently. Although this current one takes the cake. I'm hoping it's just a bug and SE will ninja fix it eventually.

Edit: I had a weird thought aftr sleepign over it... what if the location of the map/treasure chest is a 'landmine' lik a general map area like 'castrum' 'fogfens' 'rathefrost'? And unless you get a map for that spot it won't pop? (Yeah I know I'm stretching) lol.

So it's "get a certain map and a specific spot from this map"? Or just "get a specific spot"? Either way it's really streched. But hey, maybe it fits. It would explain why Hyperion and Cerberus don't have a spawn for a long time now. He's missing on a few Servers. Some Servers on the other hand had their spawns ~two days ago.
I tried another map. Had another spot and yet again he didn't spawn. I don't know .. maybe he's a little bit buggy. Let's just hope it is like this and it get's fixed so we can back to normal map-mode. If it's not a bug .. well .. screw it, then we will run out of ideas soon. It's not an extended maximum spawn - that's fer sure.

[Leknaat]

I tried another map. Had another spot and yet again he didn't spawn. I don't know .. maybe he's a little bit buggy. Let's just hope it is like this and it get's fixed so we can back to normal map-mode. If it's not a bug .. well .. screw it, then we will run out of ideas soon. It's not an extended maximum spawn - that's fer sure.

OMG he finally showed /thud just shy of 170 hours e-e; A few mins just after I got back from dinner so I don't know what map popped him

[NoboruSouma]

OMG he finally showed /thud just shy of 170 hours e-e; A few mins just after I got back from dinner so I don't know what map popped him

So 170 hours would fit in with him being ninja'd one time. If it happened that way. Maybe it has, that would be the easy explanation. I guess ours should spawn soon as well then. Oh man, what a struggle.

[Leknaat]

So 170 hours would fit in with him being ninja'd one time. If it happened that way. Maybe it has, that would be the easy explanation. I guess ours should spawn soon as well then. Oh man, what a struggle.

Yah this is the only one that can be explained by 'ninja' the Agrippa we had before this 170 spawn was 104+ hours