Do YOU think we'll get a new Tank and/or Healer in 4.0? And vice versa.

[Cipher_Zaabiz]

We also have to consider, which cross classes are available for the job, so we can have a look at it's full potential.

Since it is a melee mix from white and black magic and also using a piercing weapon, the cross classes would obviously white and black mage and due to the piercing weapon dragoon or gladiator for the sword like weapon.

what are the options then?

Quick cast, protect, stone skin, cleric stance.

and tp recovery and high damage from dragoon or flash light and aggro skill from glad.

depending if it will be dps (dragoon) or a tank (gladiator) we get a different 3rd cross class.

since i see it like most other people as dps due to the fact that the class would be int-based (it would be HARSH for a tank to be int-based), it would have a lot of supportive stuff and high dps by default (cleric stance)

if i compare the heal potential of a rdm with another class that has druid as cross class, i would inevitably look towards the paladin. And i guess, there would be also a high cost healing spell for redmages. on the dps side, he would use piercing combos with magic.

so a combination from strength and int would be necessary for the concept to work.

for that i'd look to the dragoons equipment, which is solitary at the moment.

but would make sense, when the cross class for rdm were lancer.

U would probably run with cleric stance on all the time but only when it's necessary switch to heal.

and dual cast from rdm would be like the spell u cast will be cast a 2nd time without mp cost immediatly.

think of that when combined with quick cast. u can instaheal an almost dead tank or burst like a black mage for about 10-20k damage with that.

but the whole other time u would just deal average damage like ninja and do more of the support stuff like the bard.

i'm really looking forward to this class.

[ADVSS]

one word : provoke.... this was kind of my issue for a tank red mage, a dps could fairly cross both thm and cnj and still do its thang. Its not like they cant have their own provoke but then i feel like drk and war should get their own as well. i dont see lancer ever going to any tank cause of b4b being so detrimental unfortunately, but anythings possible i guess. Why pld cure sucks though is the weapon damage type isnt magical, all theyd have to do for a magic tank is give them a magic weapon damage stat and the cure would robably be close to eos's potencies

Edit: Honesly when i think about the stat adjustments the only real problem is skillspeed/spellspeed if were talking about a ranged/melee though they could just shove those two into attack speed or something and simplify the two stats into one

[Warlyx]

one word : provoke.... this was kind of my issue for a tank red mage, a dps could fairly cross both thm and cnj and still do its thang. Its not like they cant have their own provoke but then i feel like drk and war should get their own as well. i dont see lancer ever going to any tank cause of b4b being so detrimental unfortunately, but anythings possible i guess. Why pld cure sucks though is the weapon damage type isnt magical, all theyd have to do for a magic tank is give them a magic weapon damage stat and the cure would robably be close to eos's potencies

hmmmm maybe in 4.0 SE removes crossclass for jobs and add specific job skills... new jobs suffer bcause of that "restriction" , all the tanks are forced on PLD for provoke...all casters are forced to have THM for quickcast.....ect

[ADVSS]

hmmmm maybe in 4.0 SE removes crossclass for jobs and add specific job skills... new jobs suffer bcause of that "restriction" , all the tanks are forced on PLD for provoke...all casters are forced to have THM for quickcast.....ect

yeah this is very true, i mean they have no problem rearranging stats like parry and such or changing skills like lustrate to deal a potency instead of a flat health restore %(then turn around and give whm a similar skill) so They could, yeah.

[AlphaFox]

I mean based on role that class is suppose to take, say if a Mage did become a tank would make more sense for that class to have its own Provoke or Swiftcast while allowing it to pull from the appropriate classes needed. Though if your tank is a mage, having 2 types of swiftcast would certainly bring about an interesting play I think. I mean its not the exact same but kinda the same feel you get with Swiftcast and Lightspeed on AST.

[SendohJin]

I can't see how they give red mage much offensive magic given how most of the other mage jobs have each elemental covered.

I wish someone would sit down and write out how they think red mage would work without it treading on another job so much that we have two of the same jobs. Sit and think about it and I bet very few will come up with a working job for red mage.

RDM is supposed to overlap with BLM and WHM and to a certain extent PLD. that's what the job is. PLDs don't have AOE damage, RDM can spam Fire II to hold hate. PLD isn't Parry focused it's Shield Block focused.

RDM won't have the THM traits that let them stack Astral Fire so it will never do as much damage as a BLM and it shouldn't.
RDM might have Cures for self healing but don't give them Medica and it won't compete with WHM.
Refresh can work fine, RDM would use more MP then Auto-Refresh, Refresh would give them more MP back than Riot Blade does. RDM can also have traits that make self-casted Refresh more potent.
Phalanx can actually be RDM's Grit/Shield Oath/Defiance.

why does it matter if Double Cast is on a long recast? Cover is a traditional PLD ability and it has a long recast and is also hugely situational.

any new job will have to be balanced with the existing jobs in the game. why are you singling out RDM as the one that can never be balanced properly?

[ADVSS]

well if given tank role, it will definitely have melee as its larger focus...and then it will have to have alot of its skillset eaten by repeat abilities needed for a tank, kind of limits the whole spell list to maybe about what drk has currently, unless they cheese it and repackage ninja mudras, which could work but i wold be really straightfaced about it playing like that. I also thought of the idea of switching roles like stances, but then some skills would be unusable(ie:bloodweapon) if in certain stances limiting the amount of skills you have access to even worse. Unless they do sometiing like diurnal/noct or quilibrium where the skills effects change due to the role stance youre in

[Ametrine]

Geomancer tank?
Maybe?






(I'll go to the corner, now....)

[ADVSS]

Geomancer tank?
Maybe?






(I'll go to the corner, now....)

based off FFTactics geo? would be really neat imo

[Ametrine]

based off FFTactics geo? would be really neat imo

That would be the likely source. They could use hammers and maces as their main weapon. The version in FFExplorers had a handful of defensive buffs that could translate, too.

Plus, if monk in Ala Mhigan, then Geomancer in their Feng Shui Warrior style could have roots tied to their city.

They could even incorporate the traditional Geomancy skill by have a few cooldowns/attacks that have a different added effect that changes depending on the environment.