Let us obtain Hermes' Shoes, Garlond Goggles, Asuran Armguards and other 1.0 items

[Istaru]

At what point is it ok for them to not be "exclusive"?

Never. Otherwise, they aren't exclusive.

I could go and play on the chinese/korean servers and get these "exclusive" items, and you won't be able to stop me.

Go for it, different servers and slightly different game. The exclusivity was for this game.

Because people want to keep their "exclusive" items "exclusive", you would try to deny newer players the opportunities handed to you?

Not so much because I don't want to keep "exclusive" items " exclusive" more that we were told that doing action "X" will give item "Y" but only if done at time "Z". SE said they were "exclusive", not us. Don't like it, ask SE why they make "exclusive" things. I'm pretty sure that maximizing their profits would be part of their answer.

What merit does keeping those items "exclusive" hold?

For people that have them? A feeling of time or money well spent that they may not have spent otherwise. For SE? The knowledge that if they offer "exclusive" items for money in the future that people will buy them at the price they ask for them.

The problem for SE is this. Dalamud minion required buying a $40 or $50 soundtrack. Someone buys the soundtrack mostly for the minion. The combination is worth that amount to them. SE later adds it to the mog station for $10. They will not be able to sell as many overpriced soundtracks as before since people will decide to wait for the mog station release instead.

You only answered the middle question, but I appreciate the knowledge that there are people who would deny others an experience simply so they feel special, even if they would not lose anything from it.

Actually, we do lose something. We lose faith in SE that when we give them something we may not have given otherwise for something "exclusive" that it will actually be, you know, "exclusive".

Also, I have answered all 3 of your questions.

[Niwashi]

I'm sorry that some people feel that they deserve to have everything given to them, regardless of whether or not they earned the item.

So you're entitled to it because you "earned" it, and anyone else wanting to earn it the exact same way is being selfish? Nobody is saying we should have stuff without earning it. People are just saying they should let new people earn it the same as they let previous people earn it.

For actual exclusives (as in things which were designed originally to be exclusive, like pre-order bonuses or the legacy tattoo) their value relies on maintaining that exclusivity, so I'd agree with you there, but nobody has been asking for access to those. The things people are asking for are items that were gotten either in-game or through other offers that could still be made available. Collectors Edition bonuses, for example, could be available through a CE upgrade, just like we already have for 2.0 and 3.0 CE items. In-game event items could be available through another event.

Dalamud minion required buying a $40 or $50 soundtrack. Someone buys the soundtrack mostly for the minion. The combination is worth that amount to them. SE later adds it to the mog station for $10. They will not be able to sell as many overpriced soundtracks as before since people will decide to wait for the mog station release instead.

Not a valid example if those soundtracks are still available and still give the minion. There's no need to put it on the mog station by itself if there's already another way to get it. (If the soundtracks aren't available any more, then maybe they should be re-released. Or if they're not going to be, then their continued sales are irrelevant.)

[Skivvy]

So you're entitled to it because you "earned" it, and anyone else wanting to earn it the exact same way is being selfish? Nobody is saying we should have stuff without earning it. People are just saying they should let new people earn it the same as they let previous people earn it.

For actual exclusives (as in things which were designed originally to be exclusive, like pre-order bonuses or the legacy tattoo) their value relies on maintaining that exclusivity, so I'd agree with you there, but nobody has been asking for access to those. The things people are asking for are items that were gotten either in-game or through other offers that could still be made available. Collectors Edition bonuses, for example, could be available through a CE upgrade, just like we already have for 2.0 and 3.0 CE items. In-game event items could be available through another event.

ARR is in a funky position as they decided to grandfather in our characters (and items) from a completely separate game. While the items from 1.0 may not have been obtained through events or specific purchases (I honestly can't remember at this point, would have to go back and check a few..), it could be said that these do fall into the "exclusive" category as 1.0 is no longer a thing.

I'm really not opposed to event items being obtainable again through similar events. XIV has a fairly set event schedule - we have Christmas/New years, Valentines Day, Spring event, Summer event, Fall event, etc. I would love if they adapted the XI (and early XIV!) thinking where you could buy old event items from the vendor when it came around again.

I think a CE upgrade option would be a good idea. Just make the pricing even between those who purchased the CE straight out vs. the upgrade, and I don't think anyone would have a reason to argue that.

But to get back to 1.0, I personally feel they should just leave these alone. I am missing some items, notably the horn and goobbue, but it is what it is.

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I do want to add, my last post was a bit more harsh than it should have been, but that was more directed at the specific poster I had quoted. :X I don't think there is anything wrong with opening up discussion about somehow getting items back into the game through similar methods, but there is a point where some things are just going to remain exclusive.

Those who defend exclusive items are insulted quite frequently, told that we just want to be special snowflakes, or that we're being selfish. The insult slingers are the ones who seem to have an unreasonably high sense of entitlement.

But anyway, I do apologize as I am really not wanting to group everyone into the "entitled" category. I generally try to steer clear of painting a whole group with a single brush, and I'm sure it came off that way.

[Istaru]

Not a valid example if those soundtracks are still available and still give the minion. There's no need to put it on the mog station by itself if there's already another way to get it. (If the soundtracks aren't available any more, then maybe they should be re-released. Or if they're not going to be, then their continued sales are irrelevant.)

It does not give the minion anymore. Only the first run of the soundtrack had the code for the minion.

This is as simple as I can make it. Please comprehend.

The only reason I have EVER given them $50 for a soundtrack, art book, plushie, whatever, was the exclusivity of the item attached to it. Not exclusive and available at any time? Screw you, I'll wait for a sale instead thank you very much.

I paid the full price to get that item, forgoing any chance at getting it for less to be given something in return.

Furthermore, everyone in the world, unless they were significantly underage, had the same opportunity to buy the item when released. For whatever reason, playing another game or whatever, they did not buy it t. Live with that decision.

Want to peeve off your customers? Lie to them.

To break that exclusivity, which Yoshi-P himself said won't happen, will do more harm than good to the company.

[Niwashi]

The only reason I have EVER given them $50 for a soundtrack, art book, plushie, whatever, was the exclusivity of the item attached to it. Not exclusive and available at any time? Screw you, I'll wait for a sale instead thank you very much.

What's wrong with the exclusivity that comes just from having paid $50 for a soundtrack (or whatever), which not everyone will do? Why should someone else who also pays $50 for a soundtrack not get what you got with it, just because they paid that same price later? I'm in favor of like-for-like repeating of item availability. If it used to be available with purchase of an item, then it should still be available with purchase of that (or an equivalent) item. Now, it would certainly be an insult to simply start giving away stuff that other people had paid for, but that doesn't mean it has to be pulled from availability altogether.

I have a carbuncle minion that I got together with purchase of a plushie. I see no reason why they should quit offering that, nor have they. As long as there are customers willing to buy it, they should continue selling that plushie/minion combo. It's exclusive enough just by the fact that not many do buy it. (They were at least at the time having trouble getting production of the plushies to keep up with demand, but that was neither a deliberate nor desirable limitation. They're supposed to be available to anyone who will order one.)

[Istaru]

What's wrong with the exclusivity that comes just from having paid $50 for a soundtrack (or whatever), which not everyone will do? Why should someone else who also pays $50 for a soundtrack not get what you got with it, just because they paid that same price later? I'm in favor of like-for-like repeating of item availability. If it used to be available with purchase of an item, then it should still be available with purchase of that (or an equivalent) item. Now, it would certainly be an insult to simply start giving away stuff that other people had paid for, but that doesn't mean it has to be pulled from availability altogether.

I have a carbuncle minion that I got together with purchase of a plushie. I see no reason why they should quit offering that, nor have they. As long as there are customers willing to buy it, they should continue selling that plushie/minion combo. It's exclusive enough just by the fact that not many do buy it. (They were at least at the time having trouble getting production of the plushies to keep up with demand, but that was neither a deliberate nor desirable limitation. They're supposed to be available to anyone who will order one.)

Thinking about it, the plushie minions may not be sold as exclusives. If they aren't exclusive then I made a mistake including them and apologize for the mistake.

To be honest, my addition of them as an example was really outside the scope of the original request. They were asking for 1.0 exclusives to be added to which I still say no. I added them since Yoshida himself said that the exclusive soundtrack minions will not go to the cash shop.

[Lovescake]

The problem for SE is this. Dalamud minion required buying a $40 or $50 soundtrack. Someone buys the soundtrack mostly for the minion. The combination is worth that amount to them. SE later adds it to the mog station for $10. They will not be able to sell as many overpriced soundtracks as before since people will decide to wait for the mog station release instead.

what sucked about this? i bought the phyiscal collectors edition of 2.0, which came with that exact soundtrack, i didn't even get a code for that minion.

[Rin_Sato]

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So if the acquisition cost remains the same there is no problem?
If not your assertion that there is a problem is false

Lose faith?
"Exclusive" event items have already been put on the mog station, there is precedent for "your" "exclusive" items to go there as well.

[Skivvy]

Lose faith?
"Exclusive" event items have already been put on the mog station, there is precedent for "your" "exclusive" items to go there as well.

In-game event items have been put into the CS and not everyone is happy about it. If they ever touch paid exclusives, there would be a poo storm of epic proportions (rightfully so).

[Istaru]

In-game event items have been put into the CS and not everyone is happy about it. If they ever touch paid exclusives, there would be a poo storm of epic proportions (rightfully so).

I think the unhappiness over the event items in the mog station is that historically, SE has made previous rewards ingame when the next event comes out. Making them cash only is the difference now.