Forbidden Materia

[Zomb]

I think this is the beauty of the system. Everyone can get SOME materia, but only the truly committed will have the best of the best gear. This is the way it should be, everyone will be able to get good enough gear, but the people that really work at it get the greatest rewards. I myself will be one of the people with "some" materia, and I won't have any complaints when I see the guy with multiple in each slot.

[EmeraldHill]

I think this is the beauty of the system. Everyone can get SOME materia, but only the truly committed will have the best of the best gear. This is the way it should be, everyone will be able to get good enough gear, but the people that really work at it get the greatest rewards. I myself will be one of the people with "some" materia, and I won't have any complaints when I see the guy with multiple in each slot.

Don't sugar-coat the term for no-lifers.

[Gramul]

Don't sugar-coat the term for no-lifers.

What's wrong?

Only have one materea on your equipment? Oh hohoho~
Hahahahaha.
HEHEHEHEHE
[SIZE="5"]HUE HA HE HOHOHO[/SIZE]
[SIZE="6"]HA[/SIZE] HE [SIZE="5"]HI [/SIZE]HO [SIZE="7"]HU[/SIZE]

[EmeraldHill]

What's wrong?

Only have one materea on your equipment? Oh hohoho~
Hahahahaha.
HEHEHEHEHE
[SIZE="5"]HUE HA HE HOHOHO[/SIZE]
[SIZE="6"]HA[/SIZE] HE [SIZE="5"]HI [/SIZE]HO [SIZE="7"]HU[/SIZE]

Nothing's wrong. Just be proud of what we are instead of trying to dance around the subject.

[Khal_Drogo]

I think this is the beauty of the system. Everyone can get SOME materia, but only the truly committed will have the best of the best gear. This is the way it should be, everyone will be able to get good enough gear, but the people that really work at it get the greatest rewards. I myself will be one of the people with "some" materia, and I won't have any complaints when I see the guy with multiple in each slot.

You know why I think, virtually, everything you said is moot? Because it has nothing to do with hard work half the time. I've seen 100s of ppl try to get the same item for years, putting the same time, effort, hard work, and gil into it as the next guy. Wanna know the difference? There's always that poor soul who gets completely shafted. And, clearly, those who align themselves w/ your biased logic have never been on the s@!# end of the stick when pushing for items like this. Well, here's a thought: do away with the BULL S!#@ luck aspect (a.k.a horribly calculated algorithms), and embrace some sort of system that *truly rewards hard work. Why not make materia EXTREMELY difficult to obtain, or leave hand/land ppl out of the mix, and make it where players have to complete some insanely difficult "Divine Might-like" fight in XI to gain access to an npc that will meld items for you. There are numerous ways to bring about the same results without this ridiculous system that rewards the "charmed" and punishes the "unlucky."

[Jynx]

You know why I think, virtually, everything you said is moot?

I like presumptious posts like this, they think that people supporting the system are always the people who went 5/5 for a materia. Hell I played XI for years, I still love the NM hunting in the game I had my good streaks and my bad streaks.

What was my worst?

In my total XI career until they changed the drop of the Theifs knife NM I went 0/89 for that knife that is only counting the times I claimed that bastard. Yet still despite being that guy who got the poo end of the stick I didn't complain because everyone had the exact same chance as me to get the item.

Everyone has the exact same chance to get a 5/5 slotted item as I do, I can increase my odds by investing more time. It gives me something to do in a game where long lasting content is non-existent outside this system.

Love it or Hate it, you can't deny it provides a massive time-sink that this game desperatly needed.

[Khal_Drogo]

I like presumptious posts like this, they think that people supporting the system are always the people who went 5/5 for a materia. Hell I played XI for years, I still love the NM hunting in the game I had my good streaks and my bad streaks.

What was my worst?

In my total XI career until they changed the drop of the Theifs knife NM I went 0/89 for that knife that is only counting the times I claimed that bastard. Yet still despite being that guy who got the poo end of the stick I didn't complain because everyone had the exact same chance as me to get the item.

Everyone has the exact same chance to get a 5/5 slotted item as I do, I can increase my odds by investing more time. It gives me something to do in a game where long lasting content is non-existent outside this system.

Love it or Hate it, you can't deny it provides a massive time-sink that this game desperatly needed.

lol...0/89 for that queer tonberry, and you think you know what it's like to be on the "poo" end of the stick?? I don't even remember what his pop time was, but try going 0/40ish on Argus -ya, the NM that you could know the pop time for and still end up waiting 12 hours for him to pop. That was one of my friends. I was lucky enough to go like....2/7 or so. And you know the funny thing about it? I actually enjoyed it. And the reason, why, is simple...camping NMs is "a completely different animal" as some hicks like to say. At least w/ NMs you can't "lose" everything you worked for after already putting in a tremendous amount of effort. I don't mind making ppl sink time into something as long as it's always "productive." What's absurd, is that SE has made it where you could spend days, even months, farming enough materia or stuff to make gil, get all the mats you need to make your godly gear, BUST on every single one, and then start from scratch. You lose TIME (like w/ nms); you lose GIL (not like w/ nms): and you lose something you already WORKED your A#$ off for (not like w/ nms). SE needs to find a more innovative way to "take up our time" than simply hitting the "repeat button" for everything.

[TheVedis]

lol...0/89 for that queer tonberry, and you think you know what it's like to be on the "poo" end of the stick?? I don't even remember what his pop time was, but try going 0/40ish on Argus -ya, the NM that you could know the pop time for and still end up waiting 12 hours for him to pop. That was one of my friends. I was lucky enough to go like....2/7 or so. And you know the funny thing about it? I actually enjoyed it. And the reason, why, is simple...camping NMs is "a completely different animal" as some hicks like to say. At least w/ NMs you can't "lose" everything you worked for after already putting in a tremendous amount of effort. I don't mind making ppl sink time into something as long as it's always "productive." What's absurd, is that SE has made it where you could spend days, even months, farming enough materia or stuff to make gil, get all the mats you need to make your godly gear, BUST on every single one, and then start from scratch. You lose TIME (like w/ nms); you lose GIL (not like w/ nms): and you lose something you already WORKED your A#$ off for (not like w/ nms). SE needs to find a more innovative way to "take up our time" than simply hitting the "repeat button" for everything.

id like to chime in and say its actualy quite similar to NMs in a way you are not looking at

yes, you only lose time at first glance with NMs compared to materia

BUT when camping those NMs, you are doing literaly nothing, so not only are you losing time, your losing productivity, time you could be spending doing something else

with materia, you are making money to make materia, you are spending your time actualy doing something instead of just sitting there waiting for a pop


so in the end, you can technicaly say you lost a ton of money camping NMs too since you coulda been farming during all that time instead of sitting there twiddling your thumbs


either way, farming NMs or materia, is all pure choice
and with materia, you dont have to do forbidden, you can settle for a nice full set of single slotted materia and be more then ok with it, but those who want to better themselves have chosen to take the bad with the good and that again is their choice

[Khal_Drogo]

...yes, you only lose time at first glance with NMs compared to materia

BUT when camping those NMs, you are doing literaly nothing, so not only are you losing time, your losing productivity, time you could be spending doing something else

with materia, you are making money to make materia, you are spending your time actualy doing something instead of just sitting there waiting for a pop


so in the end, you can technicaly say you lost a ton of money camping NMs too since you coulda been farming during all that time instead of sitting there twiddling your thumbs

The best thing about NM camping is that, once you know the pop time, you're pretty much set. Argus was one of the worst NMs in XI, b/c even w/ a pop time, you might still be there for 12 hours. However, it was hardly unproductive, because once you DID get your item, it was instant gratification. You get the drop, you're done. Yes, you could have made a lot of gil while farming instead, but the same is true for materia. All the money and time you HAVE to blow to get the additional materia on an item could have been spent doing something much more productive -like twiddling your thumbs, waiting for a pop. What's worse to you:

Farming for days, buying a bunch of gear and materia, "throwing away all the mats you just bought," and then doing it all again? or...


"Twiddling your thumbs," waiting for an NM to pop, having him not drop the item, running off and doing something else, then coming back later to try again?


I don't mind doing something "unproductive." What i DO mind though...is doing something "productive" and then having all of that hard work and effort rendered useless in a matter of minutes. That's what the materia system offers.


Let me break it down, so it makes more sense:

NM Camping: Time, Money, and Effort = "GODLY ITEM"

Materia Acquisition: Time, Money, and Effort = ****ATTEMPT**** at a "GODLY ITEM"

[HoolieWho]

NM Camping: Time, Money, and Effort = ****ATTEMPT**** at a "GODLY ITEM"

Materia Acquisition: Time, Money, and Effort = ****ATTEMPT**** at a "GODLY ITEM"

Fixed that for you.