Would you like an in-game parser?

[SeriouslySalty]

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Look, if someone is so thin skinned that they can't handle criticism over a video game then they probably should not be playing it. The Internet is one of the meanest places that someone can visit. It's a place of anonymity where anyone can say anything, what do you expect? If you can't handle people calling you names on the Internet then don't be on the Internet.

No one that is pro-parser here wants it so they can bully people. Do you understand how ridiculous that sounds? This can even be a tool used for mentors to help people with their rotations. At the moment it is hard to see what people are doing wrong but with a parser it would become so much more clear; mentors will be able to help newbies and people who are looking to improve can help themselves.

I'm sorry but the argument of "people are going to bully other who have significantly less DPS than everyone else because they aren't even trying" isn't valid in my eyes.

[MeiUshu]

Look, if someone is so thin skinned that they can't handle criticism over a video game then they probably should not be playing it. The Internet is one of the meanest places that someone can visit. It's a place of anonymity where anyone can say anything, what do you expect? If you can't handle people calling you names on the Internet then don't be on the Internet.

No one that is pro-parser here wants it so they can bully people. Do you understand how ridiculous that sounds? This can even be a tool used for mentors to help people with their rotations. At the moment it is hard to see what people are doing wrong but with a parser it would become so much more clear; mentors will be able to help newbies and people who are looking to improve can help themselves. I'm sorry but the argument of "people are going to bully other who have significantly less DPS than everyone else because they aren't even trying" isn't valid in my eyes.

Why do you need aboslutely to find a way to criticize someone ? is like you couldnt live without that. Is that sooo vital for you (and those like you ) to absolutel yhave to check people in order to find a fault to a point that you need a tool to make sure you didnt let go something ? is it that bad your need ?

Besides do you know how to read and interprete those numbers?

Sorry AGAIN your post shows that implementing a parser is NOT going to be used as it is intended. You clearly stated like others did that you do not want this tool for the betterment but to justify yourself to point fingers and give yourself a reason to kick or demean or berate (that you resumed by criticize) even if you have no clues (probably) how to read the numbers. Numbers do not always reflect the reality if they are not put into context.

No again, not *mature* enough to use this tool sorry. The more you (general you) go on the more it is obvious what use the overall populace will do with such instrument.

[SeriouslySalty]

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A parser is not difficult to understand. While I sometimes agree that "numbers do not always reflect the reality if they are not put into context", that is rarely ever the case. With an official parser that will never be the case.

You are too fixated with the consequences of an official parser. I've mentioned it in previous posts how it can be helpful; I will put it in list format so you understand better.

PROS:
1. Will help with players improving themselves
2. Will help with mentors improving sprouts
3. Lazy players will have incentive to play better or get kicked
4. Overall skill of the game's player base rises as a result of points 1-3

CONS:
1. People will get bullied sometimes

In the cases where someone uses the numbers to justify putting another player down, that player can use the mute feature. I do NOT want a parser to criticize people. I want it to be used as a tool by the community to improve the base skill of this game.

[MeiUshu]

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It doesnt need to be public you can take your figures and ask your friends if they are ok. That would be acceptable. Is already the case today that people berate other for what they see on their parsers as wrong
. Also people will not help they will just get rid of the player that has figures low so that they can finish their run. The person kicked will still have no clues why. This happening is so predictable... no parsers ever other then personal. No matter what you say i still am of the opinion that you want a mean to pass a judgement not a mean for betterment this based on the *some will be bullied* you still support this even you try to say is not the case. Nothing justifies this not in a game not anywhere and giving a tool that will allow this is wrong. The good willnot outcome the bad in this. I mean is not like we dont have examples already on how people interact with ithers when they have power right? You want one more?

[SeriouslySalty]

Also people will not help they will just get rid of the player that has figures low so that they can finish their run

How can you be so sure? Even today there are people willing to help in dungeons. Maybe I'm just lucky but I rarely see people verbally abused in DF.

No matter what you say i still am of the opinion that you want a mean to pass a judgement not a mean for betterment this based on the *some will be bullied* you still support this even you try to say is not the case.

Well then I believe the conversation between you and I is over. Even though that is not my intention at all, and I've made that clear several times, nothing I say can possibly change what you think my intentions are. You simply keep bringing up the fact that it will be abused. I will not be responding to any more of your posts, but thank you for opening my eyes on how needlessly sensitive this community can be.

[Istaru]

It doesnt need to be public you can take your figures and ask your friends if they are ok. That would be acceptable. Is already the case today that people berate other for what they see on their parsers as wrong
. Also people will not help they will just get rid of the player that has figures low so that they can finish their run. The person kicked will still have no clues why. This happening is so predictable... no parsers ever other then personal. No matter what you say i still am of the opinion that you want a mean to pass a judgement not a mean for betterment this based on the *some will be bullied* you still support this even you try to say is not the case. Nothing justifies this not in a game not anywhere and giving a tool that will allow this is wrong. The good willnot outcome the bad in this. I mean is not like we dont have examples already on how people interact with ithers when they have power right? You want one more?

Seriously???

If I follow you correctly, if a good MNK does 2,000 DPS, and I get one at 1,500 I'm going to kick them for low DPS so I can finish my run?

Seriously???

I have played with enough ice mages and other people that do not follow rotations, do not buff or debuff, or do much of anything and I haven't kicked them. I tried to help a few, the responses have been from "It's my $15, I'll play as I want!!", to "F you elitist!" or other grief. That is why many people don't bothe to try and help with what they see, even without a parser.

You know, a BLM using Fire I > Flare > waits for Astral Fire to drop and start Regen, Blizzard I > repeat. It is painfully obvious that they don't know what they are doing.

I do think that SE needs to let people who were kicked know why they were voted out.

[Khemorex]

Seriously???

/shrug i had these people do and so what? the world burned down? :P

[Istaru]

/shrug i had these people do and so what? the world burned down? :P

Nope.

Just to say I don't kick people for bad DPS with or without a parser and that there are reasons why I don't try a help people be better like I used to.

[JDR388]

No one that is pro-parser here wants it so they can bully people.

Isn't one of the primary points of the argument that you can use the parser to push others to play better? Consider that in dungeons you cannot send private messages to each other so any communication you have is public with the rest of the party. I am curious how you envision a conversation like that playing out. Even with the best intentions I think that it is very difficult to have that conversation without coming across as though you want to shame the individual which is really just bullying by other means. So I think your point about bullying, whether it is intended or not, is moot because the conversation itself will be more frequently read as bullying and shaming regardless of its intention.

Furthermore your numbered points consistently lean on the assumption that the majority of the playerbase actually wants to improve. I know from my experience as an educator that there is a very big difference between a student who wants to learn and a student who does not. No numerically based metric is going to make someone want to improve, especially if they have already learned that improvement is not necessary for the kind of content they want to play. In this sense you are also asking for players to conform to your idea of what a "good" player is but a "good" player may not mean a player that does the best dps to everyone.

That said I honestly couldn't care less about whether a parser is in the game or not. The opposite argument has equal problems and is often mired in emotional appeals. I think you might be better off attacking those points instead.

[SeriouslySalty]

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What I really mean when I say "bully" is verbal abuse, I should have made that more clear. I don't think that constructive criticism can classify as bullying. I guess you are right in that regard that a simple statement of "monk use your rockbreaker" can be interpreted as bullying seeing as how everyone is so sensitive to everything these days.

My points were aimed at people that are actively looking to improve. Of course there will be people that won't want to improve no matter what, but that's not the demographic the parser is aimed towards. There will also be players that would look to improve with a parser; seeing their numbers might give them motivation to doing higher DPS. Being a good player is more about being mechanically sound. When you have two DPS on your team that you believe are already mechanically sound, how do you compare them after that? With how much damage they are doing, of course.