Additional penalties for mentors insta-leaving dungeons?

[zeopower6]

This kind of got derailed. I specifically mention mentors because it is an issue where they are leaving on quite a few occasions. One time during a Sastasha before one of the sprouts loaded in, a mentor from my server was doing roulette and was like "Nope, Sorry, bye" as the tank and just left. And both DPS were new. What are we supposed to do about that?

I am a mentor and try to do things all the way through no matter way. However, I am extremely annoyed when I have to clean up after other mentors that cause these sorts of scenarios.

[Cakekizyy]

Yeah that's basically what im doing. Queuing in spanish/english and French cause i know how to deal with the three of them and im still using the auto-translate when im not clear enough.
But yeah, i have a lot of people that don't even respond when im trying to explain fights/etc seems pointless sometimes ....

Might be people not looking at chat.

[bounddreamer]

I am a mentor and try to do things all the way through no matter way. However, I am extremely annoyed when I have to clean up after other mentors that cause these sorts of scenarios.

I do my very best, every time, to finish what I've started whether it's mentor roulette or any other duty. This past weekend I was getting Sastasha a LOT. Sastasha for leveling. Sastasha for mentor. Sastasha HM for 50. Next day, Sastasha for leveling...etc. Sometimes you just want to say "nope, not today." They get a 30 minute penalty for leaving, it's not as if they're getting out of it scot free. If someone chooses to eat a penalty rather than do something they'd rather not do, yes it impacts the other players, but really it's that person's choice to leave.

Is it better for them to stay and do a half asked job because they're hating every minute and they don't want to be there?

[zeopower6]

I think as a tank or a healer, you should at least be a bit considerate of the others who also queued. Lord knows it is usually about 20 minutes before we ever get a tank replacement. Better to get someone at all than no one at all. While leveling DPS, I would typically have to requeue as a tank even though I would get 0 EXP because I know that it's highly unlikely that a replacement will come.

It's not always about an individual player or how you feel. Sometimes you have to just stick with what you get if it's going to waste the others' time. Thankfully, some of the lower level dungeons are easier but when it's the tanks and healers dipping at the start, it's just rude and bad manners.

[RLofOBFL]

Sounds like an expert run and not a mentor, that's pretty different.
Yes their attitude was sick but looks kinda out the debate no ? Cause your tank was just undergeared, not a newcomer.

Yeah...But it's more like I couldn't believe they were mentors, it was breaking my heart the way they were speaking, this was before they added the Pegasus thing. It's like applying for a job & not doing it. They didn't tell him any tips & he wasn't the best at keeping aggro. But he did it well enough so I didn't pull it by healing, the dps just went HAM on two different targets, dooming him to fail. I've never encountered anything like that before & haven't since. It legitimately scarred me lol, I'll never forget it.

[Deus-ExMachina]

Well some people seem to think that a mentor should be a martyr for the good cause like their enjoyment of teaching does not matter at all.

I don't use the mentor crown anymore because some people expect you to be a superhuman who knows every little detail of every mechanic on every fight and be able to articulate it to learning resistant people who sometimes don't share any mutual language with yourself. I spent countless hours wiping in ex trials while still staying polite and explaining everything I can but oh boy there are people who don’t improve at all over the span of an hour doing the same mistakes every single time again despite them being advised several times on how to handle the mechanics in a proper manner.

This is not satisfying at all not even a tiny bit. I understand that people envision mentors as role models who are a shining example of how a good and reasonable players should be like but this is not only achievable by a mentor himself you also need people who are willing to learn and improve and yes there are many who are willing to do so but you also have to accept that there are horrible people (skill and attitude) on the other end of the stick too. Thinking that sprouts are all innocent shy players who accept help is delusional at best. I saw many people who could need some mentoring shamelessly insulting more skilled polite players because they either get advised on how to play better or just because they don't get something they want (loot, fast clear).

The topic is about additional penalties for mentors insta-leaving which is a reasonable request but punishing mentors who leave a duty (after a few minutes/tries) for whatever reason differently than normal players is unreasonable or how would you justify a mentor being punished even harder when leaving a group that just plain out refuses (yes this happens) the help of the mentor (while failing the duty repeatedly due to a lack of skill and knowledge) or even outright insult him? Just because one takes up the "responsibility" to be friendly and teach people how to improve it does not mean that a mentor should take every crap that is thrown at him because that just gives people the impression that its ok to insult this guy with the crown because he cannot defend himself in any way since he has the responsibility to be helpful and friendly (and gets extra punishment if he dares to leave us behind).

just my 2c

[MeiUshu]

Mentors have the obligation to teach, help and guide, that comes with the crown BUT newby DONT have the obligation to listen or do what you tell them to do, harsh ? yes..but true

That is one of the reasons why it is extremely hard to be a Mentor and guide.

Welcome to the world....and yes you should be punished harsher because of the role you understook. Being insulted has nothing to do with your mentoring it has to do with the individual and that can be reported or, kick the guy and report him but still you are a Mentor and still obligated somewhat to be top at any time or else you have no place in a Mentor roulette and no place in Mentoring if you cannot live up to it, does that mean you know all ? no, but you should know more then anyone or else why being a Mentor ? right ?

With harsher punishment it would weed out those chest poofers that believe the crown makes them omnipotent. Guess what ? you are not omnitpoten you are the service of others and not the other way around. Harsh ? yeah

[zeopower6]

That's the thing, it's kind of one of the agreements you make when you sign up. It's not like there's some unwritten expectation.

[Nayout]

Now it turns out to be mentor touch pass a psychological test to withstand the pressure of people who are not willing to help.

[Melorie]

Please remove Extreme Primals from the Roulette, or from DF completly, so people just do them unsynced and dont waste others time.

What? No. Just no. I mean, PF is a pain most of time and depending of your server it's hard and tiring to get a learning party. I play as a healer and watch videos and guides before doing a fight and even so it's still hard. I don't catch up fast. I don't really want to wait for my FC to help every single fight or just get a clear and a pony, I need to LEARN the fight EVEN if I'm not that good player, otherwise I'll stay bad. If you don't want to deal with people that aren't sure how those fights works you shouldn't even queue for your roulette then. If you don't have the patience for that then your pony can wait till you have.

I think that yes, mentors should have a harsher penalty. I'm not against the system, I'm not against rewards nor I think that just because you're a mentor you have to deal with bs.
But if you want that mount and that shiny little crown, work for it. You MUST have patience, you MUST try to teach, you must queue having in mind that it won't be an easy thing to do. And if you don't like it, do not queue for mentor roulette.