Additional penalties for mentors insta-leaving dungeons?

[LadyVal]

I did respond to what you said, LadyVal did not a single post between my first post and the cut-quote. But whatever.
Just because I dont share the same opinion even after you reasoned yourself doesnt mean i didnt respond, because i did.
I explained myself reasonable, and if you wana throw me into the bad guy section, do so.
I did judge nobody for having a different view, I simply dont share the same.
Thanks for aknowledging that.

I mean, I did paraphrase your entire argument about how it's too difficult to mentor an extreme primal fight in your mentor roulette, and how it basically paints you as a fair-weather mentor, who, at that point is not actually a mentor (despite having a crown) but just like every other player. You say you enjoy teaching those who listen to you, and that you wouldn't teach people if there weren't rewards. I did say that while you are probably, ultimately a nice person (because you enjoy helping others) that your attitude that you only do it when it's convenient and easy for you is what makes you just a regular player, not a mentor. Which isn't a bad thing. It also shows that you really don't need your crown.

*Just in case you don't choose to comprehend that this post, like my previous post, is addressing a summary of all of your posts instead of quoting you line by line, do not worry, I will not be continuing this conversation with you further.

ETA: Just to not upset you I've quoted your entire post that I am responding to, since you edited it to add more to it while I was making my own post.

[Lambdafish]

Oh yeah now put some demerits to ppl that don't perfom on high level content ! Same concept !

I don't think you understand the concept of being a mentor very well. If a police officer or military official commits a crime, they are supposed to get a harsher punishment than that of regular civilians, because they are in a position of higher responsibility and as such as meant to set an example to the regular population. Being a mentor is the same concept, you are supposed to represent the best of the community, and by saying that you are free to leave dungeons because others do (and get the same punishment) is completely going against what being a mentor is about.

These people who don't perform on high level content... they are the reason you are there, you are supposed to be the individual that people can turn to and it is up to you to help keep the group motivated and set an example of what a player should be, despite those who are ignorant. You are not entitled to leave, but if it is too bad to handle you are entitled to use the vote kick and vote abandon features.

[Watachy]

Not exactly. The Mentor system is designed with players helping other players in mind. If you're not going to do your goddamn job as a mentor, why should you have access to the crown?

For people that don't perform on high level content, they're not leaving when they don't get the content they want. They're just not performing optimally and probably need help to do so. That's what mentors are for.

That's exactly the same thing for people that DON'T WANT to perform/improve/learn mechanics of a fight, high level or not.
I had to deal with this kind of people in mentors roulette, so yeah kinda pissed of this mentality.
No one is listening to the strat after few wipes etc...

That's exactly the same for High level content, people just wants a carry nowadays <.<

[HakuroDK]

That's exactly the same thing for people that DON'T WANT to perform/improve/learn mechanics of a fight, high level or not.
I had to deal with this kind of people in mentors roulette, so yeah kinda pissed of this mentality.
No one is listening to the strat after few wipes etc...

That's exactly the same for High level content, people just wants a carry nowadays <.<

That mentality is why there are so many bad teachers in real life. They assume every child is obnoxious and unwilling to learn, so they just give up.

If you don't have the fortitude to teach, turn off your mentor crown and play normally. It's a disservice to players who actually need help.

[Watachy]

That mentality is why there are so many bad teachers in real life. They assume every child is obnoxious and unwilling to learn, so they just give up.

If you don't have the fortitude to teach, turn off your mentor crown and play normally. It's a disservice to players who actually need help.

Looks like people can't discuss your point of view.
Im always up to help someone, give'em tips etc...
But in 80% of my mentors roulettes as i said, i have to deal with stupid people that just harass me cause "it's a video game i don't care of your point of view" "let me play the way i want to".
Same thing applies to high level content.
I won't let you judge my mentorship because im pissed of stupid people that don't try to play the game properly and you can't argue with.

[Lambdafish]

It's a disservice to players who actually need help.

It's also a disservice to mentors who actually work hard at their job and deal with problematic people appropriately, like yourself. The mentor system is devalued significantly by fair-weather mentors (as they have been described before) to the point where the mentor status doesn't mean anything right now.

[Nayout]

That mentality is why there are so many bad teachers in real life. They assume every child is obnoxious and unwilling to learn, so they just give up.

If you don't have the fortitude to teach, turn off your mentor crown and play normally. It's a disservice to players who actually need help.

Bad example. Who does not want to learn can do perfectly the other roulettes, many new people come with the mentality of other MMO like WoW where not want to learn anything So if you enter a system where people teach you, you have to be willing to listen and learn

[Xlantaa]

Why only mentors? For all people.

[Watachy]

Bad example. Who does not want to learn can do perfectly the other roulettes, many new people come with the mentality of other MMO like WoW where not want to learn anything So if you enter a system where people teach you, you have to be willing to listen and learn

[LineageRazor]

I'm fine with the idea of more severely punishing Mentors who abandon an instance. It wouldn't bother me, because as a Mentor myself, I'm among the last to leave when a group falls apart. I've seen numerous Ex trials through to timeout - and even more, I've helped coach on to victory. (No success yet with Odin, though; that one's a newbie killer for sure.)

The prospect of removing or penalizing Mentors who use Vote Kick is a bit more iffy. While I agree that a Mentor should never kick someone for refusing to obey them, or for harassing the Mentor (yes, it's harassment, and therefore a valid reason to vote kick - but to a Mentor, such things should be as water off a duck, not even worth acknowledging) - but there are times when an individual should be removed from an instance for harassing the other members of the instance. If a Mentor witnesses someone abusing a newbie, or whatever, the Mentor should have the ability to vote kick the bully - particularly since the newbie might not even be familiar with the vote-kick mechanisms.

As for rewards, I do think that the mount was a bad idea, at least in the method it was implemented. I've known several "Mentors" who, completely without shame, admit that they only wear the crown in order to grind for the mount, and have little or no interest in helping others. The sooner they get their mount and put away their crown for good, the better. Admittedly, they're helping to keep the faceroll instances populated, so it's not ALL bad. The Daily Roulette Tomestone reward, I don't have an issue with. It's pretty small perk, and not one likely to attract bad Mentors.