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  1. #71
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    Oh hey. It's nice to see this thread of mine revived, and seemingly refuse to go away.

    So, I thought I might as well comment on a couple of messages:
    Quote Originally Posted by Tenkuu View Post
    I think one thing of note with regards to the Summoner is that it is the only job where you are literally acknowledged as a Primal killer as part of the job description. From what I remember, no other job has this tie-in... I mean sure, dragons are a bit of a bother, but Ishgardians have been killing them so it's not as unique. Also, dragons aren't an aether consuming threat to the entire world.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erudito View Post
    Summoner hands down and no questions asked. My memory is fuzzy but if I recall correctly no other job in the game touches any of the subjects of the main story. We found out during this expansion that the story from Dragoon from 30 to 50 would have a part to play but the job story from 50 to 60 does nothing for the main story.

    Regarding the draconic theme of Heavensward, I've found it interesting from the get-go that the summoner is the only other job in this expansion with a link to dragons, besides Ishgard's dragoons.

    In fact, as far as my head-canon goes, I've glossed over some of the explanation that Y'mhitra gave, as to why the WoL is able to tap the aetheric essence of Bahamut to master the Dreadwyrm Trance.

    Y'mhitra's in-game explanation was a necessary contrivance for players who had progressed into the post-50 job quests without first completing the Coils of Bahamut. Those who've actually completed the Coils would know full well that there's more than enough reason for a WoL summoner to be able to call on (a portion of) Bahamut's power — he (or she) has literally been in mortal combat with the Dreadwyrm's shade!

    It's even more interesting to me that a summoner is not only able to call down an Orbital Dragon Laser Strike, but also able to sprout Dreadwyrm wings if he initiates a tier-three Limit Break.

    It makes it so much easier to imagine the summoner as still the "best fit" for the "canonical" Heavensward job.

    That said, I wouldn't go so far as to call the summoner the "strongest DPS", as Tenkuu suggested. There was another thread in the Lore forum that discussed this quite extensively, and I believe the consensus was that the white mage and black mage are pretty much tied for top-tier destructive potential. Both those jobs are able to drain aether from the land to power their spells. A summoner, in contrast, is limited to only his body's aetheric reserve.
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  2. #72
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frederick22 View Post
    Its unoficially confirmed. Samurai will be one of the new jobs, be sure of that.
    Unofficial and confirmed are two words that do not go together. You may like and want the job, and you may even expect it, but that doesn't make it confirmed. As I said before, the only confirmation will come from an official announcement, be it from an interview, an event, a live letter or something else.
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  3. #73
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    Quote Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf View Post
    In fact, as far as my head-canon goes, I've glossed over some of the explanation that Y'mhitra gave, as to why the WoL is able to tap the aetheric essence of Bahamut to master the Dreadwyrm Trance.

    Y'mhitra's in-game explanation was a necessary contrivance for players who had progressed into the post-50 job quests without first completing the Coils of Bahamut. Those who've actually completed the Coils would know full well that there's more than enough reason for a WoL summoner to be able to call on (a portion of) Bahamut's power — he (or she) has literally been in mortal combat with the Dreadwyrm's shade!
    Technically speaking, it seems as though *all* Summoners have canonically defeated Bahamut, just like they have all defeated all of the Primals.

    That said, I wouldn't go so far as to call the summoner the "strongest DPS", as Tenkuu suggested. There was another thread in the Lore forum that discussed this quite extensively, and I believe the consensus was that the white mage and black mage are pretty much tied for top-tier destructive potential. Both those jobs are able to drain aether from the land to power their spells. A summoner, in contrast, is limited to only his body's aetheric reserve.
    That goes back to one's own strength though. This means the White Mage and Black Mage are borrowing power from other sources more than using their own. Either way, I meant that Summoner feels like the strongest canonical dps because it is the only one acknowledged as a Primal killer. No other entity other than Ascians has canonically posed as much of a threat to the Warrior of Light as the Primals have, nor been as hard to defeat.
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  4. #74
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenkuu View Post
    Unofficial and confirmed are two words that do not go together. You may like and want the job, and you may even expect it, but that doesn't make it confirmed. As I said before, the only confirmation will come from an official announcement, be it from an interview, an event, a live letter or something else.
    Unoficial or not is coming.

    We had already lots of hits, lots of them. If Samuria is not a new job, lot of people will end dissapointed
    Even a hint where Yoshida may want derlander on a samurai AF on the next trialer.

    But is okay, hold to your opinion. We will see when we have the official answer.
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    Last edited by Frederick22; 07-20-2016 at 10:25 AM.

  5. #75
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frederick22 View Post
    Unoficial or not is coming.

    We had already lots of hits, lots of them. If Samuria is not a new job, lot of people will end dissapointed
    Even a hint where Yoshida may want derlander on a samurai AF on the next trialer.

    But is okay, hold to your opinion. We will see when we have the official answer.
    That's the precisely the point: what isn't official isn't confirmed. I don't have an opinion on the job since I don't know it, at least not in Final Fantasy, but as long as it isn't confirmed in some fashion, then no, it's not coming. What you can say is that it *might* be coming, and that people want it, and that sure, Yoshida panders to fans a lot, but that's still no indication that it will come until an official announcement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenkuu View Post
    That's the precisely the point: what isn't official isn't confirmed. I don't have an opinion on the job since I don't know it, at least not in Final Fantasy, but as long as it isn't confirmed in some fashion, then no, it's not coming. What you can say is that it *might* be coming, and that people want it, and that sure, Yoshida panders to fans a lot, but that's still no indication that it will come until an official announcement.
    We cannot agree that there is at least a 80% that might be one of the new jobs? xD

    I mean common, a lot of people want this. With all the hints and clues, if it's not one of the jobs will be a huge let down.
    ( I know, my apologies for my writting )
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    Last edited by Frederick22; 07-27-2016 at 03:50 AM.

  7. #77
    Player Tenkuu's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frederick22 View Post
    We cannot agree that there is at least a 80% that might be one of the new jobs? xD

    I mean common, a lot of people want this. With all the hints and clues, if it's not one of the jobs will be a huge let down.
    ( I know, my apologies for my writting )
    The thing is, "might" is all it can be at this point, ie it's not a confirmation. So yes, we can agree that it's what people want and expect, but I think we can also agree that there's no confirmation.

    No, I truly appreciate that you're making an effort, and I can really see it. As I said before, English is not my first language either and I understand firsthand how one can struggle with all aspects of it.
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    1.0? Warrior maybe?
    2.0; it's looking like it's the Summoner Variety Hour
    3.0? Dragoon with a side of Summoner fries with BLM cheese
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    I'd say Paladin or Summoner, probably Paladin because unsheathing your sword and shield in the cutscenes looks way more badass than opening your book.
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    In 2.0, I would say Summoner, because it fits with the whole Primals are being summoned theme that the storyline was heading into. In 3.0 its pretty obvious that Dragoon is the job which is most relevant to the story. In 4.0, either Monk or a new class that is more connected to the Monk.
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