3.4 Healer Rebalancing Thread

[RajaVamberaux]

Hi All - this is my first thread on the healer forums. With 3.4 coming up in a couple months, lets start a discussion on the changes we hope to see to our 3 healers from the expected 3.4 rebalancing. (I say expected because they typically do minor job tweaks with major patches & the new raid tier).

Some guidelines:

1. No major changes to jobs. (I.E. AST will still have 2 sects, WHM is burst; major job changes come with expansion releases only).

2. Avoid new abilities. (Don't create a new ability for a job unless really justified but changing actions and abilities is allowed).

I know the devs will only take this with a grain of salt I'm more interested in seeing where everyone thinks the healers are lacking or truly excel!

[RajaVamberaux]

Here's mine -

I'd like to see only one change this cycle, to AST:

Change:
Celestial Opposition
Instant
CD: 120s
Effect: Stuns all nearby enemies. Duration: 4s (PvP 2s). Also extends duration of beneficial effects cast on self and party members by 5 seconds.

To:
Celestial Opposition
Instant
CD: 120s
Effect:
Diurnal Sect
Stuns all nearby enemies. Duration: 4s (PvP 2s). Also extends duration of beneficial effects cast on self and party members by 9 seconds.

Nocturnal Sect
Stuns all nearby enemies. Duration: 4s (PvP 2s). Also restores own HP and the HP of all nearby party members with potency equaling the magicked barrier casted on self and party members.

[zuzu-bq]

We dont need healers rebalancing unless the next raid content makes one healer much more powerfull than the other to the point that healer will be necessary to raid. SCH may be considered like that but after the first groups cleared the raid, I've seen statics working fine with Nocturnal AST. A few tweaks would be nice but nothing major may happen.

[Parawill]

I don't know about you guys, but I really wish Retogradation was a PvE skill.

[Lastelli]

I honestly think WHM and SCH are perfect as they are now. AST is the mess we all know, but it's impossible to fix it by tweaking it a little bit, it really needs some love in the next expansion so I doubt the devs are gonna do anything about that at all...

[Teraluna]

I honestly think WHM and SCH are perfect as they are now. AST is the mess we all know, but it's impossible to fix it by tweaking it a little bit, it really needs some love in the next expansion so I doubt the devs are gonna do anything about that at all...

I think the devs have possibly painted themselves into a corner with the Ast.
To an extent they played pretty safe with this new healer, copying several whm skills directly across. They stuck with the same Mind stat focus, so standard whm gear can be used while leveling. Even things like the Astro eso gear is identical to the whm in the core stats. So of course these copied skills are ok as they've been tried and tested for a long time.

It's the differences where there are possibly issues. If they do decide to carry out changes to these then it may take quite a while, as they will need to fully understand the consequences.
One of their goals is to make sure the Astro is well balanced against the other two healers, so they have a fine line to walk. Make it too strong and people will all go for it. Too weak and it will be the poor relation.

It is difficult, and may take a long time.

[Fernosaur]

Nocturnal Sect
Stuns all nearby enemies. Duration: 4s (PvP 2s). Also restores own HP and the HP of all nearby party members with potency equaling the magicked barrier casted on self and party members.

I kinda like this idea, though more healing potency is not something that's that's needed on AST.

Another thing of note is that if this effect was coupled with constant incoming damage (like Ahk Morn or the dancing of death at the end of A8S) it could render this effect useless since the healing amount would depend on the barrier still being up on all party members, meaning if you mistimed it and used your 120 CD ability after the barrier wore off, well... you'd be exactly where AST was before, lol. Maybe instead of an instant heal, it could increase the barrier eHP already casted on everyone? Kinda like an alternative to Deployment Tactics, but still nowhere near as powerful as a deployed crit Adlo.

Iunno...

[Kitfox]

Isn't the biggest wrench in healer balance the Fairy? High single target HoT that isn't affected by Cleric Stance (+ pet abilities). Diurnal AST seems to do pretty well compared to WHM, and while they buffed Noct AST shields to be stronger than SCH, not counting crits, Noct has nothing on SCH's Fairy. Neither WHM nor AST can heal while in Cleric Stance and Noct AST has no access to HoTs outside of their bubble.

Maybe I'm missing something as I don't play healers, but to me it seems like AST and WHM are pretty well balanced, while SCH is broken.

[Pomelo]

Ast just needs some sort of fairy/totem whatever...a natural satellite? That takes the shape of sun/moon, and just is a temporary fairy, it spins around you or something, casting only single target heals...at the end it eclipses and casts the aspected helios of the OPPOSITE sect (but with less potency)

[Nekotee]

I don't know about you guys, but I really wish Retogradation was a PvE skill.

I wish too !!!
But whm would complain that we stole their assize

...

Currently we have a situation where the diurnal AST slay the whm
I doubt boosting him would help the situation XD

@Kitfox

Sch broken... In a good way, there is no comparaison to the fairy and crit adlo !
The opposition is merely diurn AST/whm

Sch/noct ast compete but are more or less équivalent (without crit adlo in the équation)