A proposed solution for having players become better players.

[WinterLuna]

Bottom line stop gripping on the healers they pay their sub therefore they get to choose how they play, regardless how the devs set up healer class, and regardless how you want them to play!

'I pay my sub therefore I can play however I choose to play! I can stand at the entrance of the dungeon and let everyone finish it for me because I pay my sub! I can break the rules of the game REGARDLESS of how the devs created them and regardless of how you want me to play! Because I pay my sub!'

Paying your sub doesn't mean you should play poorly for the sake of it.

[Fevelle]

If "I kept the party alive; I am a good healer" is the standard some people are arguing for, then how is that any different than me queueing as a dps, using only focus-targeted auto attacks and when I get called out, responding with "I dealt damage; I am a good dps"? We're both doing the absolute bare minimum required of us, and making no effort to utilize the tools given to us, but you would argue only one of these should be kicked?

This comparison is wrong. Using only single target DPS as a damage dealer is the same as a Healer only using single target heals even when the situation asks for AoE heals or HoTs.

Week 1 AST was a nightmare, i've raided throughout all of 2.x as WHM and once i got to the vault as AST i felt that the heal potencies and mp regen were completely lacking.

But either way, it's not that AST is bad. It just SCH is too damn good and WHM is better with cure III, but replaceable once people require less healing. Though yea i agree that AST needs a full rework rather than being a wannabe WHM with cards and a bad sch.

MP Regen was lacking because cards and Luminiferous were lacking. SE corrected both, though I think LA buff was a little too much. AST is fine. I'm sure potency of heals were not a problem for you, since you think spamming Benefic 1 is enough to keep the party going, as you stated in this post:

one can make a macro to mash cure I while they afk

I'm not trying to be rude, but my point is: people who yell for the four winds that any healer can keep the party alive because it's the bare minimum and extremely easy to do with just a 'macro for Cure I' are the first to complain about heal potencies and that a class is too weak to heal certain content.

The fact is, if a party is taking too long on a dungeon because mobs are taking too long to die, odds are that the problem is not healer DPS, but low DPS by the damage dealers. Learn to call out the right person before expecting the best from every player you encounter.

[Kaze3434]

I'm not trying to be rude, but my point is: people who yell for the four winds that any healer can keep the party alive because it's the bare minimum and extremely easy to do with just a 'macro for Cure I' are the first to complain about heal potencies and that a class is too weak to heal certain content.

The fact is, if a party is taking too long on a dungeon because mobs are taking too long to die, odds are that the problem is not healer DPS, but low DPS by the damage dealers. Learn to call out the right person before expecting the best from every player you encounter.

the point of their post was that there are healers who spam like that to keep the party alive. i had a healer a few weeks back that used nothing but cure II, and when i asked him to use more then just that he called me a toxic elitist. the dps agreed with me tho, in that he should use more skills. i didnt screen cap, but i had asked in a calm way for him to do more. when he died to the second boss, i had asked if he did any of his HW quests, because he did nothing else but cure II. me and the dps ended up doing the second and last boss without him, because he died from lack of heals on himself.

[coco1851]

This excuse is getting very old and very tiring. That goes for anybody playing the game not just healers. Everyone is paying for a service that involves many other players as well not just the person paying a sub fee. Whats the excuse for a f2p game? I buy from a cash shop therefore I choose how I play!? No.

Actually your right on one note it doesn't matter if they pay their sub or not. But f2p games people still can play how they want because it's their character, it's not anyone else's business if you want to help someone asking for help that's 1 thing it's another to tell people what to do.

[coco1851]

'I pay my sub therefore I can play however I choose to play! I can stand at the entrance of the dungeon and let everyone finish it for me because I pay my sub! I can break the rules of the game REGARDLESS of how the devs created them and regardless of how you want me to play! Because I pay my sub!'

Paying your sub doesn't mean you should play poorly for the sake of it.

No one mentioned someone breaking the rules in that context but ok. It's called free will which every person has regardless if it's in game or rl. Just because you think they are playing poorly that's just your opinion it's not fact. That's like saying you bought an outfit in game & you dye it, then someone comes along & says you can't dye it that color because I don't like it.

[WinterLuna]

No one mentioned someone breaking the rules in that context but ok. It's called free will which every person has regardless if it's in game or rl. Just because you think they are playing poorly that's just your opinion it's not fact. That's like saying you bought an outfit in game & you dye it, then someone comes along & says you can't dye it that color because I don't like it.

Dyeing your gear isn't affecting other players.

[mp-please]

I'm not trying to be rude, but my point is: people who yell for the four winds that any healer can keep the party alive because it's the bare minimum and extremely easy to do with just a 'macro for Cure I' are the first to complain about heal potencies and that a class is too weak to heal certain content.

What does that have to do with the obscene amount of healers who spam their tier I heal on the tank 24/7 as if they were bots?

The fact is, if a party is taking too long on a dungeon because mobs are taking too long to die, odds are that the problem is not healer DPS, but low DPS by the damage dealers. Learn to call out the right person before expecting the best from every player you encounter.

Except you get banned for calling those out for using 3rd party programs and it's a lot easier to tell a healer to spam stone III/broil/maleficII than to teach a dps their whole rotation.

[coco1851]

Dyeing your gear isn't affecting other players.

Just like a healer not dealing dmg doesn't affect other players unless the dps isn't doing their job, it was an example btw. All it means is people can do what they want regardless of who it does or doesn't affect because it's free will, that's why if a player is affecting the whole group you can kick them/or leave.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

I'll start pumping more DPS as heals when DPS players stop standing in things they shouldn't be standing in and actually DPS harder than me.

[WinterLuna]

Just like a healer not dealing dmg doesn't affect other players unless the dps isn't doing their job, it was an example btw. All it means is people can do what they want regardless of who it does or doesn't affect because it's free will, that's why if a player is affecting the whole group you can kick them/or leave.

So remind exactly why you have a problem with rewarding healers who DO DPS? Because if you have no problem I'm not sure why you're arguing on this thread.