Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Emstidor]

Playing as Bard and Roulette 60 gave me Lost City of Amdapor HM. I had more HP than tank. Perhaps because I using 1 Ring of Fending (and Ilvl 226) xD



Tank 18k HP, 19k HP for me.

Well, after Roulette Leveling gave me The Aery in progression. After kill first boss, tank leave saying busy with irl things. Next tank leave after died in normal pull. And then I voted abandon. Next attempt is Dzemael Darkhold with progression 0 minute xD Enter and was only 1 dps quit. Finish without wipes.

I'm surprised nobody's told you, but by using an off-class VIT ring, even with a Dex materia you're losing something like ~40 Dexterity compared to something lower-ilvl but class appropriate like a Prototype Midan ring. Using the most recent stat weights, this is equivalent to losing almost 3 weapon damage, which for Bard essentially means all the work you put into earning your Hyperconductive relic is invalidated, because you're dealing equivalent damage to a bard with an appropriate ring and a 210 weapon.

I only bring it up because it's a common mistake people make. I guarantee that the extra HP you're getting is nowhere near worth the amount of damage potential you're losing out on.

[Zefiris]

I'm surprised nobody's told you, but by using an off-class VIT ring, even with a Dex materia you're losing something like ~40 Dexterity compared to something lower-ilvl but class appropriate like a Prototype Midan ring. Using the most recent stat weights, this is equivalent to losing almost 3 weapon damage, which for Bard essentially means all the work you put into earning your Hyperconductive relic is invalidated, because you're dealing equivalent damage to a bard with an appropriate ring and a 210 weapon.

I only bring it up because it's a common mistake people make. I guarantee that the extra HP you're getting is nowhere near worth the amount of damage potential you're losing out on.

Well, but gives Skill Speed (better dot, no?) and moreover... When I am dead cannot do dps o.o Sometimes I survived because that ring.

[Heliantheae]

On the subject of carding tanks. One time I misclicked and gave an Enhanced Arrow to the Warrior instead of the Black Mage. He turned into a Whirlwind of Death, it was amazing. Even the Black Mage commented on how that worked out for the best. From time to time I still wind up Arrowing a warrior. Their TP plummets though.

[Emstidor]

Well, but gives Skill Speed (better dot, no?) and moreover... When I am dead cannot do dps o.o Sometimes I survived because that ring.

The current stat weights for Bards is Weapon Damage > Dexterity > Critical hit rate > Skill Speed > Determination. The 49 skill speed you gain doesn't even come close to making up for the loss of 36 Dexterity (51 - 15 of your materia), especially when you take into account that the Prototype Midan ring also has Crit, which is more valuable than SS.

As to keeping you alive, assuming you spend 5% of your playtime on the ground (which in itself would be pretty bad, but I am exaggerating for argument's sake) only a fraction of that time would likely have been prevented by the extra HP of your fending ring, and it still discounts the 95% of he time you could be adding significant damage to your attacks.

I don't mean to imply it's gonna change your world, or that you can't still do good damage with your fending ring, I just wanted to point out what the math says about the stats so you had all the information available.

[bounddreamer]

On the subject of carding tanks. One time I misclicked and gave an Enhanced Arrow to the Warrior instead of the Black Mage. He turned into a Whirlwind of Death, it was amazing. Even the Black Mage commented on how that worked out for the best. From time to time I still wind up Arrowing a warrior. Their TP plummets though.

If we're in Deliverance we can use Equilibrium whenever it's up for a steady little TP boost.

[Deathgiver]

Well, but gives Skill Speed (better dot, no?) and moreover... When I am dead cannot do dps o.o Sometimes I survived because that ring.

If you really feel you need the extra vit you're better off going 5 dex accessories instead of 4 and melding vit on 3- 4 of the accessories. if you meld on 3 you lose 36 secondary stat points that you could have melded with det/crit/ss and gain 45 vit, whereas your solution you lose 36 primary stat and 12 secondary. If we assume worst case scenario (all melds could have been crit) you would be losing a total weighted value of about 10 and a half dex vs the current loss of 36 dex and weighted 3.5 secondary stats for 60 vit. If you meld on 4 you get the exact same vit for a tradeoff of 48 stat points or equivalently rated to about 14 dex

[Zefiris]

Ok, next week I go use Lore for buy other Primal Ring of Aiming and put Vitality V there; I always put Vitality in acessory o.o

About Prototype Midan, I never did raid for 8 people. I do not have skill to do that, then I only ignore.

[bounddreamer]

About Prototype Midan, I never did raid for 8 people. I do not have skill to do that, then I only ignore.

There's two versions, normal and savage. Basically everyone has the skill to do normal. Savage is the version that requires communicative, dedicated teams.

[AnaviAnael]

Ok, next week I go use Lore for buy other Primal Ring of Aiming and put Vitality V there; I always put Vitality in acessory o.o

About Prototype Midan, I never did raid for 8 people. I do not have skill to do that, then I only ignore.

I'd recommend putting in other sub stats like CRIT, DET, or SS. If you're having issues with dying, most likely you're either having difficulty dodging mechanics or your healers aren't the greatest. Also, parry is absolutely useless on bard.

[Shamo_Lomenzo]

I did an Expert Roulette this morning and got Hullbreaker Hard. Got a SMN who, for some reason, decided to pick a fight with the tank.

The tank was marking mobs for kill order and the SMN was saying things like "I'm going to ignore your numbers and just AOE". Of course, everything she was saying was mean. The DRG we had was trying to be nice and said he appreciated the markings. But man, that SMN just kept on going.

She decided that she wanted the pulls to be bigger and ran far far ahead of everyone to pull extra mobs. I think the tank and I were on the same wavelength as he decided he wasn't going to tank what the SMN pulled and I wasn't going to heal her. Once she died, he would pick up the mob and we'd down them with no issue. We were never able to kick her since there was always loot up for grabs, but I think the tank wouldn't have voted yes anyway. I think it was a pride thing.

When the tank kept marking, sometimes she would unmark. Eventually she said, "FINE I'll follow you marks" and she thought she was being clever when all she did was spam Ruin.

Anyway, I ended up letting the SMN die about 3 or 4 times that dungeon, every time saying, "Shame..." each time. She told us she would "waste our time since we were wasting hers" but I would've sat in that dungeon for the whole 90 minutes rather than kicking her just to spite her since she didn't want to take her 30 min penalty by leaving, which she also seemingly wanted to do.