Players Who Don't pull their weight.

[Khemorex]

I'd like to remind you that you yourself are posting on a Forum and playing a game that probably won't exist in 10 years. Just saying.

id like to remind u that it wasnt me who started posting RL reasons in a game forum :P just saying :P

[Greedalox]

what future? withing a game thats gona be shut down at some point? :P
and what does that have to do with RL?

I was simply stating that having a mindset purely for the future doesn't let you live for the day, so to speak. "It's just a game", well why do you play video games if you view somethings value at its future memorability? I was simply saying that you don't need to think 10 years down the road to try and do well.

I just don't think anyone pops in Dark Souls and thinks to themself- "Well, I won't even remember this in 10 years so why do I even try?"

[MagiusNecros]

I'll be surprised if XIV makes it to 10 years.

[Kerii]

I'll be surprised if XIV makes it to 10 years.

This is fair. If the developers don't kill it, the community sure will. lol

[Bloody]

No one is saying people who do that should be banned from the game or sent to prison. People ARE saying that such play isn't acceptable, isn't "that's just how I play!", and that others in the party have a right to be upset by it, to (politely) call it out and offer advice, etc. People ARE saying that the idea that we should all just suck it up, carry them (yes of course it's possible to carry someone in DF. lol), and never say anything to any of them because "that's just DF lawl" is absurd.

1000 times this.

[Eldevern]

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I do not encourage people to be purposely lazy or trolling in game. I'm not either the last to ask myself questions about players level, sometimes. For a causual player like me, my level as just acceptable, bellow good, in other words, but not the worst either.

But I don't say anything in dungeon, in raid when I see some disaster or will not create topic in this forum about skill level of players. Why? I cannot encourage judgments or any kind of behavior that, in the opposite of a bad player, sounds like self-proclamed pgm.

I always think as a little too easy to say things as you do "I know I can be world first". Here comes the point, if you are not, be, don't find any excuse. Why Do I say that? Because there is no way for me you don't apply to yourself the rules you wish towards others. You want, do, you don't want, unfortunatly, following your rules, let the other be, without complaining. They don't have excuse, you don't have; they have, then you have too.

I'm well aware about the question of basics rotations. Maybe there are people who need IG how-too or who don't really understand their class. Do I have to condemn them? No. Sad, maybe, but no.

The basic difference is finally I do not create judgment to other if I cannot apply them to myself, otherwise, that would sound to me like hypocrisy.

The last point, since I saw self-proclamed pgm with savage stuff playing like **** in game, people trolling-pull and desipsing others, I just can't follow people who judge level of other. Self-proclamed good players are sometimes the worst because of their overconfidence and presomptuous state of mind. Not matter how good you can be, presomptuous people are to me like ****. Especially since I one day meet a real genius with true modesty. And many real genius are genuinly modest, there are that much easy they are unable to feel any competition with others.

Little edit : Rather than saying I don't judge, for a proper understanding, I should say I don't condemn and refuse to follow people who sentence. And rather saying they are like ****, they don't deserve we care. Please notice is not a sentence from me to you, there's just no way I follow you. Maybe it is my lack but I'm unable to admire anyone. There are too many things that fairly allow to relativize "awsomeness".

[KarstenS]

With AoE its this thing: If I have 15k health as smn, I purposely dont dodge sometimes. Because if a AoE only deals 1-2k damage its not worth losing any damage.

But exatcly this is one big issue. When people like this are joining ex primal and savage groups, these people are wasting the time of the others, as they are not able to perform mechanics and do their job.

People like this are one main issue with PUGs in NA and EU.

Maybe its not needed to handle all mechanics in easy content. But people that whant to do more than just faceroll stuff, should learn to handle mechanics the intended way in every content.

[Normalizer]

But I don't say anything in dungeon, in raid when I see some disaster or will not create topic in this forum about skill level of players. Why? I cannot encourage judgments or any kind of behavior that, in the opposite of a bad player, sounds like self-proclamed pgm.

Turning blind eyes on something is pretty encourage that too. IMO people who turn blind eyes on bad behaviors in game are pretty much worse than the elitist, because then you left the one with the bad behavior oblivious to what they did wrong, or give them the idea that "it's ok to continue doing so".

For example you see an ice mage with their rotation a mess, or a whm who casting a lot and a lot of medica 2 for no reason, or an afk-sch who let their pet heal. Now if you speak up, even if that make you sounds like an "elitist", those people will know that something is not right, then they either will try to fix it or will start to care (hopefully). On the opposite, without saying nothing, the blm keeps being an ice mage, the whm keep on overhealing while burning their mana and give lot of trouble to their tank, and the sch keep afk in most every dungeons they do. And worst, when they actually visit this forum, and seeing lot of people posting thing like "It's their sub, people should not tell them how to play", or "I afk as sch in dungeon a lot and it actually doable", or "I don't really care about people like that in my dungeon, i won't see them again so it's fine" etc., then all those do is encourage even more of those behaviors. One of the first steps to fix any problem is actually "care" about it first.

[Alistaire]

complainers complaining is pretty much appropiate :P

ah and btw in 10 years no one will give a shit that someone did 1800 dps in whatever raid :P because u know its just a game :P

Over 10 years ago I played FF1 with 4 white mages and beat it. Was challenging but fun and yeah those things can be memorable.

[Neophyte]

But exatcly this is one big issue. When people like this are joining ex primal and savage groups, these people are wasting the time of the others, as they are not able to perform mechanics and do their job.

People like this are one main issue with PUGs in NA and EU.

Maybe its not needed to handle all mechanics in easy content. But people that whant to do more than just faceroll stuff, should learn to handle mechanics the intended way in every content.

I think you misunderstood him. It's perfectly fine to judge if you can stand in one or two AoEs, if you evaluate the situation before. Like staying in the first AoEs of Thordan if you got an Crit-Adlo which was spreaded. The attack won't even destroy the shield, so why move?

Why do you think a BLM has Manaward, Manawall and Surecast?

It's all about evaluating. And I'm glad, if anyone is actually doing that, instead of sticking to a strict pattern all of the time.
Kill the adds @ first Boss ARF or dodge the AoEs while icy ground on the last? Yeah, if you didn't realize, that the line can just be intercepted by the healer and the add only explodes with 3k damage, while the AoEs on the last boss do something like 1-2k and you have to make a 5s slide (with almost no guarantee that you are not hit accidently anyway)? Screw it, better get 1 AoE pattern with a hit, than 3 AoE patterns I have to dodge. Do I eat now every AoE in every content, like "Screw baiting the eyes in Niddhog, I'll just stay in 1 or 2 of them."? Hell, no.

It's like someone who has double-weakness and no protect yet shouldn't stack on Akh Morn or any other "Four-Big-Arrows"-AoE, just because the markers tell him to do. He has to judge the situation and come to the conclusion: "No, i won't follow the mechanic here."