Players Who Don't pull their weight.

[Souljacker]

Jobs aren't complex. They are actually really easy to use because they lack complexity. I'd rather there be complexity for all jobs instead of relying on a one and done rotation for ST and AoE.

So you're playing Black Mage at 60 and think your rotations are a one and done for each? Do you not use Enochian and never have to move? Do you not adjust your rotation based on the conditions of the fight and the time left on Enochian? Do you not watch for Ley Lines and Raging Strikes for when they come off cooldown and adjust for that? What about your burst? Do you time all your other rotations to line up for when everything comes back off cooldown and turret mode can once again be activated?

I had no idea jobs were so easy with one rotation for aoe and one for st at 60.

[MagiusNecros]

Moving is part of mechanics. Has nothing to do with abilities. You learn the fight and know where you will be placed, what raid wide damage and AoE marked attacks won't kill you and optimize your rotation and cooldowns at that point. As far as your rotation goes however it is largely the same.

[Remus]

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Even though I play DRG I'm not really a big fan of Blood of the Dragon myself just feels so tedious and not very fun to keep up. It feels like they tried to give Greased Lightning to DRG but they didn't want it to be the same so they made it like this which i'm not really a big fan off. If it was a constant buff that stayed there without needing to keep it up I will be fine with it.

[RiceisNice]

PS: DPS underpreforming and tanks refusing to use cooldown is still a issue, but I will leave that discussion for another time.

This is more or less the context of the discussion and what we want to avoid. However, everything seems to be all encompassing, including "let them play how they want" in regards to the quoted message and clarification is sorta lost in the exchange.

[Mattelot]

Unfortunately this is not the way SE sees it. The way SE is designing content, everyone must DPS at their highest potential regardless of what else is going on.

Not trying to be a smart-butt or the devil's advocate, but SE has stated that the do not take healer DPS into account for content. Source: https://www.bluegartr.com/threads/12...-Event-5-19%29

In XI you would never give a White Mage a hard time for not spamming Holy. Never. I stopped even playing White Mage in this game because if I am going to be a DPS job, I'll play an actual DPS job and not have to worry about healing anyone or anything else. There's no need for the added stress of healing the party, baiting or doing mechanics, and getting yelled at afterward because some jerk has ACT pulled fullscreen and saw that I didn't cast enough Holys.

As a Whm from FFXI, nobody ever complained about Whms at all (from my years of experience as one). If someone did (and even in this game) complain because you were not doing something they personally wanted you to, i'd tell them where they can go. They can harass you and you can report them. They cannot report you (technically they can but nothing will ever happen) for not playing how they want you to. SE states under Prohibited Activities section that players should respect people's unique play style. I'm sorry that happened to you.

[Lambadelta]

Unfortunately this is not the way SE sees it. The way SE is designing content, everyone must DPS at their highest potential regardless of what else is going on.

While I do pull my own weight this is slightly incorrect.

Yoshida has said that Healer DPS is NOT taken into account when balancing raid boss HP.

[Seraphix2407]

While I do pull my own weight this is slightly incorrect.

Yoshida has said that Healer DPS is NOT taken into account when balancing raid boss HP.

That's correct, however what the different between a good player and great one is the amount of over heal. Many healers require ballads even when no one dies. Just because you heal doesnt mean you are good at it. Over healing nerfs bard and mch and sometimes over aggro for No reason.

[Neophyte]

While I do pull my own weight this is slightly incorrect.

Yoshida has said that Healer DPS is NOT taken into account when balancing raid boss HP.

Apparently they also don't take two full healing healers into account, else the outgoing damage would be a lot higher.

So healers are neither required to dps nor required to heal all the time. Seems like healer is the ez job in this game.

Also: This is only true for minimum ilvl.
While dps get more damage with higher ilvl, what does a healer do with it, if he apparently could heal fine with the lower one?
If he's not dealing damage, he has either more time doing nothing or does more overheal. Wow.

Regardless what Yoshi says, overhealing is bad healing and doing nothing is bad playing. This is true, nothing can change that fact. Choose yours.

[RiceisNice]

Apparently they also don't take two full healing healers into account, else the outgoing damage would be a lot higher.

So healers are neither required to dps nor required to heal all the time. Seems like healer is the ez job in this game.

Also: This is only true for minimum ilvl.
While dps get more damage with higher ilvl, what does a healer do with it, if he apparently could heal fine with the lower one?
If he's not dealing damage, he has either more time doing nothing or does more overheal. Wow.

To be honest, a lot of things developers say do not reflect the actual content or design (espesically job balance/performance). I can at the very least say that you do not need 2 full-time healers for most of the content (the only exception imo is nidhogg normal), and you certainly needed healer dps to meet checks in savage, even at the aforementioned minimum ilevel. I mean you can teechnical,ly get by with 0 healing damage, but you'll probably be cutting it close to a half percent at that point, it's a really thin threshold.

[Klamor]

Good morning. Could you link me to where I said I was a shining example of a good player? It's early and I've not had my coffee to jog my memory. Thanks, bud!

You don't have to have said those words about yourself exactly to achieve the same objective. We've all seen the stuff you've posted here and we can infer the type of attitude you bring to the table.