What happened to the Free Company alliance system?

[niwaar]

We already have this. It's called a linkshell.

I don't know what an alliance system can do in this game that a linkshell doesn't already allow. Perhaps the ability to use another FC's housing features, and that's about it.

Linkshells have a 128 limit. So no its not called a linkshell. People are begging for FC limits to be raised because for some reason some groups like to have 1000+ people in a single FC (I dont understand this but to each their own). Having this would allow FC's with 512+ characters an FC to link all their members together. This is the solution people are looking for. It is also a solution for smaller FCs (or once medium sized and now smaller FCs to create a larger, more active group while keeping their smaller community intact.

[Kosmos992k]

Linkshells have a 128 limit. So no its not called a linkshell. People are begging for FC limits to be raised because for some reason some groups like to have 1000+ people in a single FC (I dont understand this but to each their own). Having this would allow FC's with 512+ characters an FC to link all their members together. This is the solution people are looking for. It is also a solution for smaller FCs (or once medium sized and now smaller FCs to create a larger, more active group while keeping their smaller community intact.

^^^^^^
This person gets it.

[taswind]

This and they had also talked about being able to summon Primals after defeating them, i am guessing this idea was also thrown out

With the way the lore works, I'm surprised they even came up with the idea to begin with.

LOL, Indeed, we spend so much time worrying and wringing our hands over beast tribes summoning the primals, and then we defeat them. Why would we then turn around and do exactly what the beat tribes were doing, despite the knowledge we have of it's cost.

Spoilered for anyone who wants to complete the SMN questchain on their own without foreknowledge...

Because it's nowhere near the same thing. We aren't whole-heartedly praying to the primal in question, and neither are we feeding it tons of aethercrystals to pull it from the other 'dimension' into ours. Though that doesn't mean there weren't other explanatory lore problems with the system... They could potentially, and logically, actually work.

As I understood the lore, having gone through the SMN quests fairly recently: First we are working with *primal energy* which Y'mhitra called the "ASPECT of the avatar," not the actual primals themselves. We used rituals which shift our own aetheric balance toward element of the primal in order to summon this shade, which becomes known as the primal-egi. (Egi meaning "the essence of.") We do not summon the actual primal (either to defeat it or after we have mastered it), we go to places where they have been or where there is similarly aspected energies to draw upon, and call out a shade with their likeness, made from our own internal aetheric reserves.

Second, we're bending this (initially hostile) 'energy' to our will by defeating it. We aren't asking it to protect us, we're commanding it, and if I recall and read the quest-text correctly, it has no choice but to obey as it has "submitted to your will." This isn't a "friendly fight to get the summoned monster to respect you" (as seen with Rydia in FF2/4) this is a show of dominance and then an overwriting of will. Y'mhitra says that you are the "master" of Ifrit-egi, and then you must claim Titan as "a servant." She also states "A summoner employs the savegry of the primals to conquer the primals themselves."

I'm curious as to whether this was why Tristian's enkindle didn't work - since he was not technically its master. Tristan was simply "given" the essence of the elder primal Belias-egi by the Ascians. Anyway, wrong forum for that question.

Third, some primals are simply too powerful overall (even when we can defeat the actual primal) to do this with. Because Ramuh-egi requires more aetheric reserves than we actually have, the summoning fails. (Which is why we get Trance, as a method of infusing ourselves with the essence of the primal, rather than trying to summon it externally.


All of that said, we have since: A) Absorbed power from Midgardsormr, B) Absorbed power from Hraesvelgr, and C) Grown more powerful overall. It's entirely logical for them to conclude that we are now strong enough to summon Ramuh-egi (though since it's just an appearance thing, they could give him similar/the same skill functions as Garuda), etc. They could also find that oops, we're now strong enough to summon up to Bismark, but there's an "unexpected" limitation where you can only have 3 active egis at a time. (Using a different egi than what you have could possibly require going back through the initial duty, for example, or could be as simple as selecting summoning spells "prepared," as mages do in D&D, in an interface with some item like the transmog system we already have.)

That said... I really want Carby back... ;.;

[Zeno_McDohl]

It was killed by the wandering outdoor primals in FATEs.

This was never really confirmed for a patch, just something they've talked about a long time ago. FC alliances were confirmed for a patch but just never showed up.

[TessaJalloh]

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They're actually referring to a proposed PVP system in the open world, where an FC who defeated a powered up roaming version of the primals were going to be able to take control of that primal for a short period. That FC would be the only one who had control over the primal in that time frame and could unleash them to use their super move (hellfire etc) upon the opposing player force.

But free company PVP went the way of the dual wield gladiator, along with the entire concept of free roaming primals and FCs capturing them.

[Mwynn]

This was never really confirmed for a patch, just something they've talked about a long time ago. FC alliances were confirmed for a patch but just never showed up.

and yet... whenever I go unto Steam I see this Pic reminding me of that "Non-Existent" Feature :x

[Spawnie]

theres really not enough content for there to be a fc alliance system... only fc content really is diadem lol

[MihaelB]

and yet... whenever I go unto Steam I see this Pic reminding me of that "Non-Existent" Feature :x

That looks amazing, can you imagine the multitude of FC dramas though when hundreds of people from each FC try hunt one down?

I imagine this is why they stomped out this idea as the maturity of hunts makes me question humanity itself.

[taswind]

They're actually referring to a proposed PVP system in the open world, where an FC who defeated a powered up roaming version of the primals were going to be able to take control of that primal for a short period. That FC would be the only one who had control over the primal in that time frame and could unleash them to use their super move (hellfire etc) upon the opposing player force.

But free company PVP went the way of the dual wield gladiator, along with the entire concept of free roaming primals and FCs capturing them.

Aah - Never paid attention to PVP stuff. :x

[MilesSaintboroguh]

That looks amazing, can you imagine the multitude of FC dramas though when hundreds of people from each FC try hunt one down?

I imagine this is why they stomped out this idea as the maturity of hunts makes me question humanity itself.

Not to mention it'd be ten times worse than the early days of fighting Odin and Behemoth where the servers choked and you couldn't even see the targets.