Players Who Don't pull their weight.

[Greedalox]

Still genuinely mystified that you keep running into these people. Really?

And if you do, is it causing that much pain in, hell, even normal-mode Nidhogg, Sephirot, or EX roulette? I've seen people lie dead through both the aforementioned trials (or flat-out abandon and we finish it with seven people) and no one seems to break a sweat.

I mean, maybe I've dealt with a million no-effort DPS and I barely even noticed because I'm not that mad at video games.

I run all my dailies, and I run into them fairly frequently. You're also implying that the people here who wish to see an improvement in the bottom line of the player base are infuriated, which is simply trying to undermine the discussion and dismantle it with a sharp tongue over a sharp mind. It's no secret that this has been a long running issue in the FF14 community, that there is a large population of bad players who are coddled into believing that even though you're playing with other people, that others don't matter. It's the populace of Elitist-Witchhunters that exaggerate and exacerbate this issue, when said "Elitists" do not seek every player to be the 1% regardless of what these naysayers think- they simply want to play with people who give a damn. If you don't give a damn, don't click roulette. If you do? Join up and accept constructive criticism without going to your safeplace.

[Archaell]

Poor you, having to deal with all these terrible, horrible people who might not be trying so jaw-clenchingly, palm-sweatingly hard as you clearly are at every moment you're life-or-death focused on this video game, while they have the temerity to have fun and not fear harassment.

Good heavens! You're a martyr to the cause.

We are playing a final fantasy game. Sometimes the warriors of darkness are needed to save the world.

If you like getting carried - fine with me. But do it with a group of like-minded players.

As I said many times mixing players with "different play-styles" is a bad idea and the best fix would be to separate them so that everyone could be happy.

[Kaeoni]

And this is where your original analogy fails again. There's Spec Ops, Farmer Joes and regular Bobs. Regular Bobs are in between and strive to be either of the spectrum. The community should not advocate Farmer Joes, they should eradicate or segregate Farmer Joes.

Most players are Regular Bobs that have to put up with Farmer Joes and Spec Ops, which one do you want in your team?

My analogy fails? Regular bobs like myself do not necessarily strive to be either or. I'm solid where I am. In the Funzone. And that sides more or less with the Farmer Joe end of the spectrum than the Spec Ops. For some Odd reason, when I look at numbers and rotations with Dexterity potions and all that stuff that is set in stone it kills my boner. I don't know why. But you know what really gets me going? The dude with the LSD having a good time. I've never met your type of Farmer Joe. The kind who can't even dress themselves in the morning. I doubt they exist. I've never met them. The Farmer Joes and Regular bobs I play with can and do everything short of Savage. Not because we couldn't do it. But for various other reasons. And unfortunately for the Spec Ops we make up the majority of the population. We aren't below you. nor are we better than you.

Hitler segregated and eradicated people, His life turned out pretty good i hear!

[Greedalox]

Hitler segregated and eradicated people, His life turned out pretty good i hear!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

[Kaeoni]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Not the one who brought up segregating and eradicating people! It screamed setup.

[Klamor]

Not the one who brought up segregating and eradicating people!

No one said anything about eradicating people until you did. Instead, people are interested in getting people to improve, or to simply not be grouped with those who refuse to improve.

[Coratanni]

I had an M4 run last week on an alt for my Midan drop, healing as a WHM, and the other WHM wasnt helping with heals or raises. We eventually wiped due to too many dps dying and not making the dps check. The healer then went and was telling everyone what they should do, and I pointed out what the other WHM wasnt doing to help. They then said as we started they would watch and we would find out just how important they were to the group and proceeded to stand in the corner of the room and didnt move the entire fight. I solo healed and the summoner we had in the party helped with raising to keep my MP up.

Afterwards the WHM said thanks for the carry and exited.

[Greedalox]

Not the one who brought up segregating and eradicating people!

You did bring up Hitler who's IRL eradication is being compared to putting bads in one box and minimally acceptable in another. JS, the first one to toss Hitler into the mix tends to be the start of the end of civil discussion.

[Kaeoni]

And this is where your original analogy fails again. There's Spec Ops, Farmer Joes and regular Bobs. Regular Bobs are in between and strive to be either of the spectrum. The community should not advocate Farmer Joes, they should eradicate or segregate Farmer Joes.

Ok, you're right, my bad. I did bring it up?

And yes Greedalox, it was extreme. maybe a bit much. I apologize.

[MihaelB]

My analogy fails? Regular bobs like myself do not necessarily strive to be either or. I'm solid where I am. In the Funzone. And that sides more or less with the Farmer Joe end of the spectrum than the Spec Ops. For some Odd reason, when I look at numbers and rotations with Dexterity potions and all that stuff that is set in stone it kills my boner. I don't know why. But you know what really gets me going? The dude with the LSD having a good time. I've never met your type of Farmer Joe. The kind who can't even dress themselves in the morning. I doubt they exist. I've never met them. The Farmer Joes and Regular bobs I play with can and do everything short of Savage. Not because we couldn't do it. But for various other reasons. And unfortunately for the Spec Ops we make up the majority of the population. We aren't below you. nor are we better than you.

Hitler segregated and eradicated people, His life turned out pretty good i hear!

Did Hitler also join an online game and play games with every single kind of individual possible in their spare time only to waste time with detrimental players? Comparing that is just plain nonsensical.