People are Quitting Too Easily on Extremes

[Destous]

SE doesn't support parsers.
SE doesn't support booting people for playing poorly.
SE doesn't support booting people for failing to learn a fight.
SE doesn't support people clearing their savage content.

What's absolutely true about this game though, is that every group that's ever cleared a savage encounter did so because they used a parser, and they booted people who play poorly, and the booted people who couldn't get the fight down after several wipes. The worst truth about this game is that of the players who make it to 60, upwards of 95% of them never clear savage/extreme content; because SE doesn't support clearing the content.

[Blanchimont]

SE doesn't support parsers.
SE doesn't support booting people for playing poorly.
SE doesn't support booting people for failing to learn a fight.
SE doesn't support people clearing their savage content.

What's absolutely true about this game though, is that every group that's ever cleared a savage encounter did so because they used a parser, and they booted people who play poorly, and the booted people who couldn't get the fight down after several wipes. The worst truth about this game is that of the players who make it to 60, upwards of 95% of them never clear savage/extreme content; because SE doesn't support clearing the content.

I've only done maybe 2 of the Extreme Trials, but I avoid them if possible because of how toxic it makes people

[HyperiusUltima]

Behemoth PF I can't find a proper Raid Static mainly because of the fact that most of the time it conflicts with my work schedule(and it's waaaay late night with the Aussies).

What I wish that people would do is fix the damn self-righteous Bonus Eso people get after helping someone clear content would not appear. It relates to how things are currently since people will outright kick someone if they see a bonus in a farm party. If people didn't know whether they had a bonus or not, then the game wouldn't be as full of **** as it already is dealing with people who think they're the best player in NA.

[Archaell]

If people didn't know whether they had a bonus or not, then the game wouldn't be as full of **** as it already is dealing with people who think they're the best player in NA.

If people didn't know there was the bonus... nothing would get cleared ever. The bonus is the only thing that is barely keeping farm parties doing what they are made for - multiple runs for loot. Even without the bonus many farm parties fail, because players don't have enough experience to farm. You get experience by wiping for dozens of hours in training parties... wiping due to other players' mistakes like the rest of the players did.

Look at how Nidhogg kill parties look like - the bonus is allowed and players who only watched a guide join in to keep wiping the rest of the group. This would happen to the farm parties without the bonus. Massive amount of people who have no business being there would join and screw the rest.

[randysquirrel]

I've only done maybe 2 of the Extreme Trials, but I avoid them if possible because of how toxic it makes people

Weird sweeping generalisation if you've only been in there twice.

Anyway, I think (obviously) most of the problem lies with people sneaking into PF parties claiming to have more experience than they do (or genuinely thinking they are better than they are), but part of it also lies with the group leader. if people are not up to it, you need to kick them pretty quick. otherwise it just gets worse in the group disbands, losing anyone that actually was on point. You prob get called elitist scum and all the rest, but it's the only way you actually ever get close to clearing with pf. obviously don't have to be rude to whoever's getting the boot, but being too shy to kick means you just fck about in p1 forever

[Geist]

Weird sweeping generalisation if you've only been in there twice.

I like to think the majority of our playerbase would stay cool and level-headed, but I've also seen folks getting aggressive for much less than EX rides.
And as much as I'd like to believe otherwise, the occasional bad apple (i.e. toxic player) does pop up from time to time; so while a trial isn't bound to go wrong all the time, there are times when things definitely go South. Staying firm (but calm and reasonable) helps a lot in my opinion, especially if you're in a position of leadership or attempting to work towards a goal, such as advancing a phase.

Anyway, I think (obviously) most of the problem lies with people sneaking into PF parties claiming to have more experience than they do (or genuinely thinking they are better than they are), but part of it also lies with the group leader. if people are not up to it, you need to kick them pretty quick. otherwise it just gets worse in the group disbands, losing anyone that actually was on point. You prob get called elitist scum and all the rest, but it's the only way you actually ever get close to clearing with pf. obviously don't have to be rude to whoever's getting the boot, but being too shy to kick means you just fck about in p1 forever

I would also offer some measure of constructive criticism or a rationale for the kicking - just a few words, in true KISS fashion: look, you were constantly messing up this part... you turned the boss toward the party, so they got hit with a big cleave... you should realize that you were delivering damage much slower than you could.... to sum it up, stay on point.

It goes a long way to prevent abuse of the elitist label, because you're reaching out, and at the same time it shows that you are being firm, but fair. Wish them good luck and let 'em go, then life goes on. Nobody gets harassed on either side, and perhaps a lesson is learned (I'm that eternal optimist).

Of course, when someone's blatantly going for a carry, stop as soon as you can and question their motivation right off the bat. They shouldn't be abusing you and those other players who are willing to give their honest best.

[Hammerhorn]

get a team , train , win! duty finder is the suck.