Your thoughts on queuing in DF with languages you don't understand / speak.

[FinaSel]

Ha, the Japanese don't like it though, there's an insanely long thread on the jp forum complaining about foreigners selecting jp when they queue.

Personally I don't have a problem with it for easy content, or content you are confident in. But I do hate it when people queue for difficult content/things they have never cleared and obviously have no idea what to do, and then cannot even understand explanations when people give them! It's selfish and wastes everyone's time.

This is exactly what I am talking about.
First of all, for Japanese players, we greet each other before the dungeon begins and when the dungeon ends. Even if they use the auto-translate, I hope that other players can, at least, adopt this behavior when selecting "Japanese".

Most, but not all, English-only-speaking players don't tend to do this. I understand this is natural in the English speaking gaming world, but in the Japanese gaming world it is quite rude to join a party and not say a single word. I understand it is a difference of culture, but when in the group of all players who only speak Japanese, it makes sense to try to adopt this.

Today, I had two parties where the players who didn't understand Japanese said some things to the other players in English, but they couldn't understand them.
So I had to explain so we could function as a group and clear both IDs. If I hadn't been there, I think it would have been too hectic.

I understand it must be difficult for English speakers on Oceanic data center to get a party if they can't speak Japanese, but if they queue for a Japanese ID, they should at least either:
A.) Use the autotranslate feature
B.) Learn the very basic Japanese for "Be right back", "Please wait", "I'm not ready", "Keep the enemies apart", etc

And I understand people in Oceanic region can't / don't want to join EU or NA servers. That's okay. But I hope that if queuing for a Japanese group, people shouldn't expect others to understand English.

This not only happens in Dungeons, but also in PvP. Many people who do not understand Japanese come in and shout directions in English, when they, and myself, are the only people who can understand it.

I don't mind if people who don't speak Japanese come into the group, but if they speak only English and expect everyone to understand it, it is kind of troublesome.......

[Alberel]

This is exactly what I am talking about.
First of all, for Japanese players, we greet each other before the dungeon begins and when the dungeon ends. Even if they use the auto-translate, I hope that other players can, at least, adopt this behavior when selecting "Japanese".

Most, but not all, English-only-speaking players don't tend to do this. I understand this is natural in the English speaking gaming world, but in the Japanese gaming world it is quite rude to join a party and not say a single word. I understand it is a difference of culture, but when in the group of all players who only speak Japanese, it makes sense to try to adopt this.

Today, I had two parties where the players who didn't understand Japanese said some things to the other players in English, but they couldn't understand them.
So I had to explain so we could function as a group and clear both IDs. If I hadn't been there, I think it would have been too hectic.

I understand it must be difficult for English speakers on Oceanic data center to get a party if they can't speak Japanese, but if they queue for a Japanese ID, they should at least either:
A.) Use the autotranslate feature
B.) Learn the very basic Japanese for "Be right back", "Please wait", "I'm not ready", "Keep the enemies apart", etc

And I understand people in Oceanic region can't / don't want to join EU or NA servers. That's okay. But I hope that if queuing for a Japanese group, people shouldn't expect others to understand English.

This not only happens in Dungeons, but also in PvP. Many people who do not understand Japanese come in and shout directions in English, when they, and myself, are the only people who can understand it.

I don't mind if people who don't speak Japanese come into the group, but if they speak only English and expect everyone to understand it, it is kind of troublesome.......

See the thing is in my experience the European players largely do always greet each other and say thank you at the end of a dungeon as well. Use of the auto-translate here is also very common due to the number of languages used in the region.

I think there's something of a disconnect in this thread between the English-speaking NA/Oceanic players who aren't used to engaging with other languages and English-speaking EU players who are.

[Lan_Mantear]

Ha, the Japanese don't like it though, there's an insanely long thread on the jp forum complaining about foreigners selecting jp when they queue.

Personally I don't have a problem with it for easy content, or content you are confident in. But I do hate it when people queue for difficult content/things they have never cleared and obviously have no idea what to do, and then cannot even understand explanations when people give them! It's selfish and wastes everyone's time.

This reminds me of the JPONRY comments from FFXI. That was annoying.

Intellectually, I agree with the OP. It's common courtesy to greet everyone at the start of an instance and to use the auto-translate function whenever possible. However, the seeming elitism of the JPONRY community annoys the hell out of me, and often times degenerates me to redneck mentality and causes me to purposely pretend to misunderstand even though I know full well what is being said. If for no other reason than to rattle their elitist cages.

Auto-translate works both ways. Don't expect me to kowtow, when you're not willing to do the same.

[FinaSel]

I have never played on an EU server, so I don't know so well about the type of interaction people have when joining a party.
But I've played WoW on an NA server and a couple other games. And I've played JP games on JP servers (or games never released with an English version).

There is a really big difference in how people interact in a group.

When someone doesn't greet another person at the beginning of the dungeon, I know they are not a Japanese speaker or have knowledge of Japanese customs. Yet I or my party mates, whoever queued for the dungeon, selected Japanese only. So, it feels really strange to us.

I don't dislike the fact that they joined. It's fine for them to join and play with us. But it's rude to say nothing to your party members. And, personally, I find it rude to make requests or demands to party members in English when 3 of the 4 people queued for an only Japanese group. This is what I dislike.

The same goes for PvP. I find it rude to issue demands in English and expect the other 7 people to understand and follow them, and then become angry when they don't do it.
It's also tough when, although they queued for a Japanese group, they do not follow quests issued in Japanese.

I made macros for PvP using only the auto-translate and symbols like --> to aid both sides.

Basically, what I want to get down to is: Do you think it's okay to queue for IDs without understanding the language, culture because queue times are faster?

[Dragoniks]

It's especially troublesome when, right before a boss, a DPS or healer says "hold on, be right back" and the tank and other player cannot understand that and begin to pull the boss.

I think it is up to everybody in the party to check party language when entering in a dungeon ^^
That way if all are english then no worries but if there is deutsch or french or jp we should ask if all speak english otherwise use auto translation.

I don't know if after 3 years the DF search program is better but when the game starts most people select all language to speed up queuing ^^ i'm still doing it for that purpose.
I never had trouble in dungeons since i mainly use and see "Hi and GG" or auto translated welcoming and exit macro ^^

So effort must come from all the side i think ^^

[Lan_Mantear]

Basically, what I want to get down to is: Do you think it's okay to queue for IDs without understanding the language, culture because queue times are faster?

Yes. Because any drama that might or might not occur due to culture clash and misinterpretations is preferable to being a DPS and waiting hours for your que to pop. Specially on content that you've most likely have done ad nauseam.

[Ashiee]

If the queues were not broken, I would definitely check all languages even though I don't speak their language. You can do most things using auto translate, well at least anything you would actually use the DF for.

To bad the queues are broken though when it comes to selecting multiple languages. I learned my lesson from queueing all languages for frontlines... got stuck in a french queue or something for 3-4 hours without a pop, redid the queue as EN only and had a pop really quickly, asked people how long they were waiting and most people were only waiting 10 mins and had been doing matches all day. Since then have only check EN so queues go fast. Friend had a similar issue with Expert roulette a patch ago. In the mornings they would check all languages and try and queue into expert roulette as a healer and was getting like 40min-1 and a half hour queues. Since they were on healer I thought that was crazy, queues are almost never that long for me even on a DPS job... After about a week or two of this I asked if they had all languages selected and they said yes, I told them to select EN only, and instantly they only had to wait 5-10 mins max to get into expert. Maybe they fixed the queue system now in the last patch or so... but that really is the only reason I'm not actively trying to play with people who speak different languages.

[AnaviAnael]

This is exactly what I am talking about.
First of all, for Japanese players, we greet each other before the dungeon begins and when the dungeon ends. Even if they use the auto-translate, I hope that other players can, at least, adopt this behavior when selecting "Japanese".

Most, but not all, English-only-speaking players don't tend to do this. I understand this is natural in the English speaking gaming world, but in the Japanese gaming world it is quite rude to join a party and not say a single word. I understand it is a difference of culture, but when in the group of all players who only speak Japanese, it makes sense to try to adopt this.

A lot of us on the NA servers find it to be rude too. I don't get why people can't be bothered to say hello and goodbye at the beginning and the end of a run. You wouldn't do that IRL, so why do it in a game?

[FinaSel]

A lot of us on the NA servers find it to be rude too. I don't get why people can't be bothered to say hello and goodbye at the beginning and the end of a run. You wouldn't do that IRL, so why do it in a game?

I'm glad that it is not as much of a cultural thing as I thought then.
I remember playing WoW and I recall that most people said nothing when entering a party or dungeon together.

[Ayer2015]

Lets be honest... Its not like you actually need to communicate in dungeons in the game.