"Who, WHAT are you?" *main story spoilers*

[Naria]

That having been said, if we want to go into the theoretical... Hydaelyn herself often calls us, "Beloved Son/Daughter," (I assume daughter, I have no female characters). If Hydaelyn is our, "Mother," then who is our, "Father?" Zodiark? If the WoL is ultimately the child of Hydaelyn and Zodiark (figuratively or literally), there is some possible logic behind our power, abilities, and the consternation foes such as Thordan and the Ascians experience when thwarted by us.

This is a distinction that I have noticed: Hydaelyn always refers to us as their "Beloved" son/daughter, but when others talk about our special relationship with the crystal they tend to do it in terms of Mistress and servant-- even Midgardsomr who has very likely encountered WoLs before and has his own past with Hydaelyn. We could just be her child in the way all life comes from her (Minfilla calls Hydaelyn mother and frequently asks her to protect all her children) but the difference in phrasing has always struck me as a bit odd. I think the Ascians all call us "servant" as well, but since Aether is down at the moment I can't check.

[Vexander]

This is a distinction that I have noticed: Hydaelyn always refers to us as their "Beloved" son/daughter, but when others talk about our special relationship with the crystal they tend to do it in terms of Mistress and servant-- even Midgardsomr who has very likely encountered WoLs before and has his own past with Hydaelyn. We could just be her child in the way all life comes from her (Minfilla calls Hydaelyn mother and frequently asks her to protect all her children) but the difference in phrasing has always struck me as a bit odd. I think the Ascians all call us "servant" as well, but since Aether is down at the moment I can't check.

I can't say I really ever liked the idea that all life comes from Hydaelyn to be honest. I feel like we're getting a FFXI setup where all the races think they're the children of Altanis when they're more the Children of Prometheus. Zodiark may have been cast out, but I imagine he's been able to influence the world. I'd like to think he's also created life after a fashion.


Maybe I just want Zodiark to be more of a being we could like and even support from an In-Character perspective. Granted what Hydaelyn did to Minfilia really soured me as far as she is concerned.

[Anonymoose]

Having overshot theories in the past, Occam's Razor is growing on me, in terms of this topic.

Is it so strange that even empowered mortals and primals alike fail to fathom the limits of someone plugged directly into the top level of cosmology?

I've got my eyes peeled for these lines to foreshadow something larger, but I'm agnostic as to whether I believe there's actually something to see.

It's like trying to fathom the scale of the universe for the first time. Assign levels of in-game entity to these tiers. Imagine mortals as planets and primals as, say, galaxies. If a mortal suddenly had the observable universe in its corner, could a primal really wrap its head around that? Imagine anything trying to wrap its head around that.

"What... are you?"

[Enkidoh]

The more I think of it, the more it seems to me that SE are using a similar idea from Dissidia here (the first one, not Duodecium which just had an excuse plot and the non-existent plot of the recent arcade version), where like Cosmos placing a portion of Her life into the crystals that her 'champions' recover, knowing that it would weaken Herself fatally, something the antagonists would be quick to exploit, in much the same way, what if the Crystals of Light have actually been infused directly with Hydaelyn's power, which is actually what has weakened Herself to empower us instead?

And that, like Cosmos, ultimately it would result in Hydaelyn''s physical 'death' knowing that the Ascians and by extension, Zodiark, would not waste time in trying to eliminate her... but, as her life continues to 'live on' within the Crystals and by extension, through us as her champion, allowing Her to finally destroy Zodiark and the Ascians for good and end the cycles of Umbral and Astral forever? Note the similar terms here: 'champion', 'crystals infused with the goddess's light', 'goddess of Light and god of darkness', 'Cycles of war/destruction/death/darkness and peace/rebuilding/life/light'. Making this whole thing one giant Batman Gambit on the part of Hydaelyn.

Of course there are major differences, but the themes are remarkably similar. Or at least, that's how it seems to me anyway.

[Vexander]

I kind of want Hydaelyn to be evil now, and Zodiark good, but perhaps corrupted by the Ascians.

[Frederick22]

I kind of want Hydaelyn to be evil now, and Zodiark good, but perhaps corrupted by the Ascians.

And so we have another fan of "evil must win". Welcome.


We are not the son of Zodiark, I think that was pretty clear my now.

There is a reason why hydaelyn as a "mother".
This is not an uncommon thing, deities that have a female figures are called mother.

[Vexander]

And so we have another fan of "evil must win". Welcome.


We are not the son of Zodiark, I think that was pretty clear my now.

There is a reason why hydaelyn as a "mother".
This is not an uncommon thing, deities that have a female figures are called mother.

Its not so much a case of, 'Evil must win,' as, again, what Hydaelyn did to Minfilia soured me. That and maybe I'm just tired of the old cliche of, "Goddess is good, God is Evil." Seeing it reversed would be an interesting outcome. Granted that's unlikely. The story so far has been fairly cut and dry, straightforward, a, 'Good vs. Evil,' story where the big black crystal is obviously evil.

[Kallera]

I think I would like there to be more to at least zodiark than a creature that wants to destroy all reality. perhaps its existence is more needed than the mothercrystal thinks. I would be esctatic if it ended up talking to us as the purple crystal instead.

The thing is both sides in the light/dark conflict seek to banish, destroy or otherwise unmake the other. Perhaps what is needed is not destruction, but a passing of the torch?

[Morningstar1337]

The thing is both sides in the light/dark conflict seek to banish, destroy or otherwise unmake the other. Perhaps what is needed is not destruction, but a passing of the torch?

There is that title we get from the 2.55 story

[Causality]

*Allagan tinfoil hat*
We are the sleeping avatar of Zodiark

...Is it wrong to admit I've thought of this? Admittedly with Zodiark turning out to have turned over to the good side after the what happened so long ago, but still.

I've had the consideration that we are blend of both of their power. If we were purely of the light, as some suggest, then Dark Knight would be near impossible for us.

Spoiler tagging because the tag above is for MSQ spoilers not class quest spoilers

We do have a sentient dark side we come to terms with after all which could give credence to this theory.
We have our Warrior of Light Persona, and this Persona born of Darkness basically saying we dipp into both equally.