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  1. #1741
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasrat View Post

    SNIPl
    You could be correct, I was meaning specifically so you develop the muscle memory, I don't do under level 50 content anymore with my BLM (haven't for almost a year) so I'm just theorycrafting. Maybe even badly. That said, by now you should be pretty close to 50! In the end the up to 50 rotation is not super important because once you get to 50 you will never need to use it.

    The main difference between going B3-F3 versus transpose-F3 is that you are guaranteed a mana tick by hard casting F3, but now that I think about it, it sounds straight up worse to transpose if you don't have Flare. Oops.
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  2. #1742
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    What do you guys normally Sharpcast, Fire I or Thunder?

    Also.. is it a DPS gain to use Thunder I between Blizzard III and IV each time? I normally only use Thunder when Ley Lines is up but aside from that i go straight to Blizzard III-IV-Fire III-Fire IV - etc.
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    Last edited by paoweeotter; 07-01-2016 at 04:01 AM.

  3. #1743
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    Quote Originally Posted by paoweeotter View Post
    What do you guys normally Sharpcast, Fire I or Thunder?

    Also.. is it a DPS gain to use Thunder I between Blizzard III and IV each time? I normally only use Thunder when Ley Lines is up but aside from that i go straight to Blizzard III-IV-Fire III-Fire IV - etc.
    If level 60 content, sharpcast F1, otherwise T1.

    It's a DPS gain to cast T1 if it won't cause you to drop Enochian. You shouldn't have enough time to go B3-B4-F3 and still have full MP. So you'd be waiting to cast F3.
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  4. #1744
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    Quote Originally Posted by FunkyBunch View Post
    If level 60 content, sharpcast F1, otherwise T1.

    It's a DPS gain to cast T1 if it won't cause you to drop Enochian. You shouldn't have enough time to go B3-B4-F3 and still have full MP. So you'd be waiting to cast F3.
    oH OK. It's just the fflogs ive been looking at from top black mages, i don't see them consistently casting Thunder 1. If they did it should have close to the same # of Blizzard III or IV casts if they always used Thunder during UI.
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  5. #1745
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    Quote Originally Posted by paoweeotter View Post
    oH OK. It's just the fflogs ive been looking at from top black mages, i don't see them consistently casting Thunder 1. If they did it should have close to the same # of Blizzard III or IV casts if they always used Thunder during UI.
    No if they get a proc they'll have a T3 instead.
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  6. #1746
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    I only sharp F1 if LL and Convert is up. Other wise I save it for Thunder procs. Can't remember if another T3 is a gain at 18 or 12 seconds left though.
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  7. #1747
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
    I only sharp F1 if LL and Convert is up. Other wise I save it for Thunder procs. Can't remember if another T3 is a gain at 18 or 12 seconds left though.
    I think the time when you use a T3 proc changes depending on your SS value. But <12s is the baseline.

    ~1100 SS moves it up a tick.
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    Last edited by Judge_Xero; 07-01-2016 at 10:29 AM.

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    Any Tipps for good DPS on Nidhogg EX?
    His dives in P1 makes me lose my buff for sure and it isn't ready again when he is back. Any suggestions here?
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  9. #1749
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    Even if you reload enochian right before his jump
    You won't keep it at his landing
    Because niddhogg take like 26 sec for both dive and landing before being targetable

    So nop
    The only thing is giving your best at the beginning using enochian, sharpcast and swiftcast
    Because all will be reload for the adds

    Well that how it work for me !
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    I just found out: If I use enochian a few seconds pre-pull I can still do a full fire rotation and enochian will be ready again once Nidhogg is done diving :>
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