Nerf "Coming Into Its Own"

[SilverArrow20XX]

You and me have a very different definition of casual, seeing as at least it will take 300 hours to do it with just roulette and beast tribes.

Takes around 85 days to get just doing Beast Dailies. Probably about an hour a day for 3 months. Less than 90 hours. Made over 15 million gil selling the materia from the quests too, so the crafted items basically came with it. Still not exactly casual, but it's a far cry from 300. The eso grind in A Dream Fulfilled is far worse. A similar casual pace of just doing an Expert roulette a day will take over 5 months. Easily over 150 hours with queue times. That's just for the Umbrites.

[Jas710]

I think they should seriously stop with all the safe pacifistic crafting-related relic grind nonsense, and instead steer it around to where people would need to dive into the savage content to progress (get their lights, sands, crystals, whatever) instead of what's been going on up to this point. The first ARR relics back in the day made us beat Titan as a progression gate. That made a lot more sense than chasing after crafted HQ items.

Because at the end of the day, we sure as hell aren't planning to use our relics to kill some mythical crafting end-game boss, right?

[LalafellDown]

Let's be honest, it takes millions of gil to begin with just to bring your crafter to that point where you can make those HQ items.

Lies, I've crafted/gathered everything myself. I never spent millions of Gil to get to the top with crafting. Everything in the game is free to get.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

I think they should seriously stop with all the safe pacifistic crafting-related relic grind nonsense, and instead steer it around to where people would need to dive into the savage content to progress (get their lights, sands, crystals, whatever) instead of what's been going on up to this point. The first ARR relics back in the day made us beat Titan as a progression gate. That made a lot more sense than chasing after crafted HQ items.

Because at the end of the day, we sure as hell aren't planning to use our relics to kill some mythical crafting end-game boss, right?

Except that goes against what the devs want to do with the relic; an alternate weapon for people who can't or don't want to raid and are willing to put time into getting the relic. If we went with your idea, then why have two weapons locked behind savage raids?

[VirusChris]

What were the steps of the FXI Relic Weapons? I kinda wish the Relics were like those from FFXI... where they were the ultimate weapon. I don't mind Savage having better gear, but perhaps just armor-only?

Anyway I'm taking my time on the current Relic Step. Helluva lot better than "Coming Into Its Own" in my opinion, but I wouldn't mind more unique events tied to the Relic only.

[Souljacker]

What were the steps of the FXI Relic Weapons? I kinda wish the Relics were like those from FFXI... where they were the ultimate weapon. I don't mind Savage having better gear, but perhaps just armor-only?

Those relics were awful to get - it required basically tricking 30+ other people into going into a dungeon with you and letting you have all the currency. They *might* get a piece of gear out of it, but it didn't change the fact that the whole thing was mostly a racket. Folks loved it though. I ran a Dynamis linkshell for a while that shared the currency drops, but people preferred the shells where they got nothing but a chance at a piece of gear and everyone was basically working on one guy's relic. It never made sense to me.

I was working hard on getting my relic in this game until I learned that it's not even BiS for BLM. I mean, it's locked behind this incredible grind and it's not even considered BiS? That's the part that I don't understand. I'm probably going to stop worrying about it and join a savage static in my guild. I wouldn't mind the relic grind staying the way it is if the weapon was as good as the others, but it isn't.

I'm a little disappointed in the variety and number of weapons in this game.

[VirusChris]

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Hmm... I don't know if that's exactly how it worked, but people helped each other in the game and in the end you were rewarded with the BEST weapon in the game hands down. Which is why I wished the FFXIV Relics were like that.

However it was mostly the Raiders that complained about it (even if they were the minority of people in this game) and how some people complained on the Titan HM Fight (due to lag and other internet issues) that they changed the way the Relics work in this game which I dislike.

I honestly think the Raid Content should only have the Best Armor gear in the game and leave Relics as the Best Weapon to get by doing the Relic Quests and the ways to get it. Then again people will complain still, it's damn if you do damn if you don't. SE wants to keep it "simple" and I don't mind, but it's TOO simple and there's hardly a lot of other things to do... not to be mention I hate some of the weekly locks in this game and the 24-man raid content as well.

Which is sad as the Relic is not WORTH the time spent on it for a "casual" grind... more of a midcore grind. I can't even get into Savage Raiding on my server due to a lot of things.

[Cnidarian]

I was working hard on getting my relic in this game until I learned that it's not even BiS for BLM. I mean, it's locked behind this incredible grind and it's not even considered BiS? That's the part that I don't understand. I'm probably going to stop worrying about it and join a savage static in my guild. I wouldn't mind the relic grind staying the way it is if the weapon was as good as the others, but it isn't.

I'm a little disappointed in the variety and number of weapons in this game.

Currently, the i240 BLM relic is the second best BLM weapon behind the i245 Midan Weapon. To me, that sounds about right, it shouldn't be BiS as the current tier raid weapon should be stronger since it is harder to obtain.

[Blanchimont]

I barely completed the i200 quest and looking at the next step, I already want to give up. Crafting is one of the things I hate the most in FF14 and you have to go through it if you want to advance your Anima further. I like how they give you options for the first set of items you need, but I'm disappointed they didn't for the second set and force you to get it through crafting.