"Who, WHAT are you?" *main story spoilers*

[Anonymoose]

<...> based on what Nabriales stated, the Ascians do not all share a common ancestry, and have varying origins - Nabriales said that he is different to Lahabrea and Elidibus in that "he is not of that realm" and thus due to our Blessing, cannot walk in Hydaelyn whenever he so chooses. <...> it seems that Nabriales at the very least is an Ascian that had a different origin to Hydaelyn <...> if someone else has a better interpretation of the in game information please post it!

My working theory since the Antitower has been that the fourteen overlords represent each of the worlds that resulted from the cracking of reality. Seeing as "ten and three" reflections of the Source were created, you'd have a sphere of influence in each. This would explain the importance of Lahabrea's being "of this world", why he's essentially the ringleader of actions taken in this plane, why all of the black-masks of this realm seem to have been risen by him personally, etc. The only reason our plane has two Ascians (the other being Elidibus) is because ours is the original, where Hydaelyn cast Zodiark from. I suppose Elidibus is the arbitrator of Zodiark, sent as an emissary to the source of mortal life.

(I've probably stated this before, but) I'm hoping that the two are simply at odds over the end result. Everyone wants Zodiark restored, but that the overlords would be content to see Him take his revenge (burn out Hydaelyn and let Her world be consumed by void) while Elidibus wants to reunite them and collapse everything into a new Genesis. Granted, neither can win. But the former makes for a good binary antagonist to start, while the latter would be a slow burn with (from the point of view of existence prior to mortals) logic and righteousness on his side as he tries to undo an allegedly 20,000 year old wrong. He'd just have to destroy everyone and everything created since then to do it; thus everything we've ever known and fought for. He said himself, in our first meeting with him, that he has no plans to harbor us through the transition. He just assured us his path was the right one.

But who knows how long it'll be before that house of cards has to be modified / rebuilt, lol.

[DPZ2]

Perhaps there is another way. A way other than the triumph of revenge or death by entropy. A way other than total destruction, even though it be followed by absolute creation.

And maybe, just maybe, we are receiving power from more than one of the star-crossed lovers.

[PArcher]

We still have hraesvelgr's eye. And although it's probably depleted now and will take time to recharge it is still a massive wellspring of aether that we could draw upon..

We don't. That cutscene of us flying in the churning mists clearly shows him with his eye back.

And stop with the "we are a primal" theory...its been debunked so many times at this point...

[revonine]

We don't. That cutscene of us flying in the churning mists clearly shows him with his eye back.

And stop with the "we are a primal" theory...its been debunked so many times at this point...

I'm sorry if I angered you? I had no idea it was debunked so thoroughly I was only attempting to spark some more discussion.....

[Rocl]

Deiform entities possess a unique and recognizable aether signature.
The Scions of the Seventh Dawn are well versed in this knowledge.
Y'shtola is a Scion of the Seventh Dawn, and would know what a primal aether signature would look like.
Since returning from the Lifestream, Y'shtola is capable of seeing aether w/o having to use the goggle-things.
At no point in our long and storied career with the Scions has any of them noticed we're a Primal.
Even if we somehow became a Primal later in our career, the Scions (or Y'shtola, for sure) should/would know instantly.

It's difficult to make out the Hraesvelgr bit if you're easily confused by your left and right and his left and right and if you're like me and still making an L with your hand to figure out where left is, but yeah. Hraesvelgr has both his eyes (or at least, has the eye he gave us back if you really want to push it).

[Vulcwen]

It's not entirely certain (not the least because the Ascians' comments are as clear as mud), but based on what Nabriales stated, (..)

The question is more, why does losing the blessing have some kind of realm-wide effect?
The WoL hasn't been the WoL forever, and as far I understand there are times without one.. but then, why didn't the Ascians take advantage of that? Likely because that seal would still be in place without a WoL..
I can't imagine losing the blessing would cause the seal to be broken.. perhaps it's the other way around.. breaking the seal makes you lose the blessing.

[PArcher]

I'm sorry if I angered you? I had no idea it was debunked so thoroughly I was only attempting to spark some more discussion.....

We're basically beating a zombie horse at this point on the topic. Rocl got the biggest points why the theory doesn't work at all, but there are others as well.

Edit: Another major point is we're never addressed as one even though primals do know of each other and call them out on it (see: garuda after you defeat her, but before Ultima devours her). Midgardsormr also continues to address you as a mortal, and considering he could seal the Blessing, he'd know if you aren't.

[AutumnHarvestwind]

snipsnop.

Anonymoose my mind is blown.

[FinalWolf]

It what happens when you make the warrior of light angry.

[Jingai]

The question is more, why does losing the blessing have some kind of realm-wide effect?
The WoL hasn't been the WoL forever, and as far I understand there are times without one.. but then, why didn't the Ascians take advantage of that? Likely because that seal would still be in place without a WoL..
I can't imagine losing the blessing would cause the seal to be broken.. perhaps it's the other way around.. breaking the seal makes you lose the blessing.

If I may add in my two cents on this, Vulcwen's post reminded me of this. I don't believe it's so much that our Blessing is tied to the Seal, but without our Blessing, the Ascian's didn't feel we were much of a threat anymore. The Scion's are good, but the story's made it clear WE'RE the bulwark that defends them all. Without the Blessing, it appeared we wouldn't be able to stop them, and the Ascian's don't seem to consider the other Scion's a threat. Just US.

Pity for the Ascian's we don't need the Blessing to knock their shadowed teeth out. >=3