Alienation of Dedicated and Skilled players

[Bourne_Endeavor]

We already have gear effects on GC gear, the game structure does not need heavy modification to add interesting gear effects.

Those are negligible boosts that I wouldn't qualify as "interesting stats," but sure, you could do that. Adding a whole new stat or procs to gear isn't the same thing. And even if it were, we're back to why the overall community would care? And how these new features wouldn't simply get broken down into "what is the best potency increase?" Look at the Anima weapon. We can customize the stats of our weapon. What does everyone do? Crit/Det.

As for the strawpoll. A sample size that small is not an accurate representation of the community. You're extrapolating a poll with roughly 150 votes to a population of 800,000+. An equivalent would be to use Steam's active game tracker to argue FFXIV is dying because it only shows 6-7,000 players on average when the overwhelming majority don't use Steam to play this game.

Another issue is by taking this poll, we have to consider others.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...unity_discuss/

That was an in-depth study on active subs, player progression and Gordias clears. The latter scored less than 1%. Which suggests the devs should just scrap Savage entirely because it's content virtually no one can clear. Now I'm not saying they should, but only why you cannot grab a strawpoll and claim it proof of a majority opinion.

[zosia]

Those are negligible boosts that I wouldn't qualify as "interesting stats," but sure, you could do that. Adding a whole new stat or procs to gear isn't the same thing. And even if it were, we're back to why the overall community would care? And how these new features wouldn't simply get broken down into "what is the best potency increase?" Look at the Anima weapon. We can customizethe stats of our weapon. What does everyone do? Crit/Det.

Well, you don't get to qualify what's interesting stats. If SE can make a belt that increases spirit bond rates they can make a belt that modifies the rate of a fire starer proc or a free cure II proc. Apparently plenty of people care based off of the poll thread that has been up less than a day.

As for the strawpoll. A sample size that small is not an accurate representation of the community. You're extrapolating a poll with roughly 150 votes to a population of 800,000+. An equivalent would be to use Steam's active game tracker to argue FFXIV is dying because it only shows 6-7,000 players on average when the overwhelming majority don't use Steam.

At least I am using a skewed poll to back up my argument. you are just assuming players don't want interesting gear changes. Try again bub.

Another issue is by taking this poll, we have to consider others.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...unity_discuss/

That was an in-depth study on active subs, player progression and Gordias clears. The latter scored less than 1%. Which suggests the devs should just scrap Savage entirely because it's content virtually no one can clear. Now I'm not saying they should, but only why you cannot grab a strawpoll and claim it proof of a majority opinion.

That's a red herring fallacy, can we focus on interesting gear choices please? To answer your misdirection though, I could not care less if they scrap savage, it killed the raiding community, I much rather have the coil system and I am a raider.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Well, you don't get to qualify what's interesting stats. If SE can make a belt that increases spirit bond rates they can make a belt that modifies the rate of a fire starer proc or a free cure II proc. Apparently plenty people care based off of the poll thread that has been up less than a day.

This whole thread emphasised "interesting stats," not minuscule boosts. Either way, what purpose do those procs serve? Say next patch Dragoons can get three equally powerful weapons, but each has a different proc for Blood for Blood, Battle Litany and Blood of the Dragon. People will eventually math out which proc offers the best potency increase, pick that weapon and throw away the other two. Fair enough if you think this is better, but we'll have to disagree.

At least I am using a skewed poll to back up my argument. you are just assuming players don't want interesting gear changes. Try again bub.

That's a red herring fallacy, can we focus on interesting gear choices please? To answer your misdirection though, I could not care less if they scrap savage, I much rather have the coil system and I am a raider.

And I showed an equally skewed poll you completely ignored (Steam). Statistics do not work that way. A poll with such a massive disparity between people is, frankly, useless.

[zosia]

This whole thread emphasised "interesting stats," not minuscule boosts. Either way, what purpose do those procs serve? Say next patch Dragoons can get three equally powerful weapons, but each has a different proc for Blood for Blood, Battle Litany and Blood of the Dragon. People will eventually math out which proc offers the best potency increase, pick that weapon and throw away the other two. Fair enough if you think this is better, but we'll have to disagree.

Again, these are your own arbitrary definitions, none of which has been publicly agreed upon. So, because optimization is a thing, we have to keep things kindergarten simple stat wise? Please! That's like saying since all digested food turns to fecal waste, best to only eat flavorless pudding.

And I showed an equally skewed poll you completely ignored (Steam). Statistics do not work that way. A poll with such a massive disparity between people is, frankly, useless

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring

If you have some steam data that relates to opinions on gear, I will respond to that. Otherwise, I don't care about novel comparisons between unrelated data sets that you have made. Show me where steam users talk about gear options.

These forums are used for feedback. I am citing a thread that precisely does that and that thread also includes a poll participated in by active FFXIV forum users. The population and topic of that poll/thread is relevant to this one. Your steam data only proves to point out that none of this data is scientific, something I already admit. At best, it at least gives us an idea (qualitatively) that the majority of active NA forum users want gear changes.

Your steam data, as fallacious as a point that it was, serves to prove what exactly? That the poll thread is skewed, biased, or unscientific? Again, I admit the skewing already, so your point on steam subs was moot on top of being a fallacy, that's why I ignored it.

[Dextro]

If you have some steam data that relates to opinions on gear, I will respond to that. Otherwise, I don't care about novel comparisons between unrelated data sets that you have made. Show me where steam users talk about gear options.

These forums are used for feedback. I am citing a thread that precisely does that and that thread also includes a poll participated in by active FFXIV forum users. The population and topic of that poll/thread is relevant to this one.

Your steam data, as fallacious at it is, serves to prove what exactly? That the poll thread is skewed, biased, or unscientific? Again, I admit the skewing already, so you point was moot on top of being a fallacy, that's why I ignored it.

Your move, Balmung.

[Alaltus]

This whole thread emphasised "interesting stats," not minuscule boosts. Either way, what purpose do those procs serve? Say next patch Dragoons can get three equally powerful weapons, but each has a different proc for Blood for Blood, Battle Litany and Blood of the Dragon. People will eventually math out which proc offers the best potency increase, pick that weapon and throw away the other two. Fair enough if you think this is better, but we'll have to disagree.

In the current system there is only room for 1 single set. In a more horizontal system there is room for situationally superior gear. So for example Rogue/Ninja could have gear that modifies planting hate on another player for when there is no tank. Pgl/Mnk could have gear designed for battles with lots of downtime that modify Form shift/Meditate. If the stat system wasn't so 1 dimensional there would be room for situational gear even without bonuses to abilities.