Report All the people Selling AND Buying houses in PF

[Nyghtmarerobu]

They set the 'maximum' price on it they expect people to save up and pay for one already. Anything over that is overpricing. Whether or not it is 'astronomical' might be more subjective but in terms of overpricing they have already said what the maximum price should be. House flipping aka buying just to resell at vastly inflated prices is against the ToS as evidenced earlier in this thread and there is proof also that people have been punished for doing it.

Well thats good. Glad you guys are getting restetution. Guess you'll have to wait 6-8 months for the next round of wards to come up. Thats to bad, hope the apartments are what you all are asking for lol. while you're at it, make sure to report the people selling codes and mogstation items as well. Your work isn't over sir.

[LadyKairi]

Would like to place this here... The first topic they talk about is housing and people reselling.

https://youtu.be/BJwPCxau7CA

[ChameleonMS]

Would like to place this here... The first topic they talk about is housing and people reselling.
https://youtu.be/BJwPCxau7CA

Nice to have an official confirmation on the resale for profit. Any player / FC that purchase multiple houses for personal use still looks to be OK.
I might be just me but they seem to have realised that personal housing in the wards was a mistake and should have been reserved for FC only.

[Myon88]

I might be just me but they seem to have realised that personal housing in the wards was a mistake and should have been reserved for FC only.

I've always felt it was weird that so many FC functionalities were tied to player housing; If anything, it should be the opposite, the housing system should be strictly for personal housing, and FC headquarters and functionality like airships should be accessed from cities (you zone in from your FC's affiliated GC headquarters or something).

The in-game portrayal of the housing wards clearly portrays them as private property that wealthy adventurers can buy to settle down. Its also kind of silly that I'm supposed to believe there's a big enough basement under all these houses to fit an entire airship workshop, or that the Maelstrom would let a Immortal Flames affiliated FC set up shop on their land.

Since housing is clearly a limited resource, it's silly to tie FC housing to it like that. It should be for private property only like the luxury that it is, and FCs can zone into their own instance from cities.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Its also kind of silly that I'm supposed to believe there's a big enough basement under all these houses to fit an entire airship workshop, or that the Maelstrom would let a Immortal Flames affiliated FC set up shop on their land.

No more silly than shooting fire from a staff or carrying a house in your inventory. The game is a fantasy game not based on reality.

I've always felt it was weird that so many FC functionalities were tied to player housing; If anything, it should be the opposite, the housing system should be strictly for personal housing, and FC headquarters and functionality like airships should be accessed from cities (you zone in from your FC's affiliated GC headquarters or something).

I disagree personal houses are mainly glamour except for stables and gardening both of those features could of been made instanced by having a communal garden and a stable for the whole ward. They should of just created instanced housing for personal.

Also Free companies were supposed to get other features like FC primal summoning etc tied into the estate. My guess is all this is stuck behind the property crisis SE has created.

[Myon88]

I think it's precisely because personal housing is mainly a luxury that it should be the intended use for these housing wards.

From the looks of it, it doesn't look like the limited availability of plots is going to go away soon - so just give it to private owners, and if you miss out on it, well as you said it's just 'glamour' so it's not a big deal.

FCs should be the one using instances to access their headquarters (or whatever you want to call it), because those can be generated freely and a homeless FC loses a lot of functionality. Even if you banned plots from being used as personal houses, you would still have the problem of FCs with no house because there are way more than 2160 FCs on some servers.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

I think it's precisely because personal housing is mainly a luxury that it should be the intended use for these housing wards.

From the looks of it, it doesn't look like the limited availability of plots is going to go away soon - so just give it to private owners, and if you miss out on it, well as you said it's just 'glamour' so it's not a big deal.

FCs should be the one using instances to access their headquarters (or whatever you want to call it), because those can be generated freely and a homeless FC loses a lot of functionality. Even if you banned plots from being used as personal houses, you would still have the problem of FCs with no house because there are way more than 2160 FCs on some servers.

What does an individual need it for except gardening? Everything else is available in the Free Company and it is used for a meeting place before events and to discuss events. Everyone is able to get an individual room within the FC to decorate, crafting furniture is available to help new crafters, experience gained from completing airship parts for crafters and role playing for various groups who are into this. Also a high amount of FC houses are used by people who cant get a personal house.

I have a personal house and own a Free Company and the only thing I use my personal house for is the garden.

[Myon88]

That argument would be moot if you could do all those FC activities in your own private instance accessed from the city. And as I mentioned, even if you reserved every single plot for FC housing only, there would still be FCs left out because plots are finite but FCs are not. So you haven't solved the fundamental problem, you've just delayed it.

If we accept that plots are always going to be limited, then it's in the best interest to make sure no real advantages are gated behind them. So it is in fact precisely because private houses have 'no use' but glamour that every plot should be a private house, as that limits the effect it has on the game for people who can't acquire them (which is inevitable).

[Masekase_Hurricane]

If content becomes gated behind FC housing then you will see smaller FC's combine with other FC's.

Seeing as there is more than double the people to houses, how is that gonna be any better them all being personal houses vs Fc houses ? Ok can argue apartments are coming in then what is the need for any of the wards just delete the lot.

Also each instance area you are saying should be created needs to hold maximum 512 members vs 3 members max in a personal house.

[Myon88]

I don't see FC consolidations happening, as in the current state of the game, content is already gated behind the housing system and that doesn't happen. It would be far easier to put things like airship functionality in cities so that all FCs have access to them no problem.

There should be no complaints if that was the case, as there will be no more access issues. Assuming they could do that and relocated FC functionality to cities, the problem should be solved.

Of course, we both know that isn't the whole issue. If an FC still wants a house in this system, it's for the same reason as private owners, because we all know an actual house is far more prestigious than a private instance in most peoples eyes. The way I see it, if they both want it solely for vanity, then neither has the moral high ground and neither has a greater claim to the content than the other.