Alienation of Dedicated and Skilled players

[Underdog2204]

adding that toxicity? For starters, it's not toxic, that's just how life works. If you want to operate and participate in a public space (such as joining a random PF pug), you will perform in line with what is ever generally agreed upon. If that does not suit your needs, you make your own group or find one that agrees with your performance standards.

That's how things are now, as we speak, on live servers. Try joining a niddhog EX party choosing to only cast ice spells as a blm or wearing str accessories as a tank. YMMV just depending on the people you play with and the groups you join. If you join a serious progression PF group and you are just casting ice spells or insist on using outdated builds, you should be kicked.

These are realities people already face in-game and it would not change or be exacerbated by any 'toxicity' problems. People who don't tolerate sub par un-optimized game play will continue to do so and people who do tolerate will continue to tolerate those behaviors.

I think this unfounded absurd fear of scrutiny hurts this game at so many turns. That's why we can't have nice things. That's why we can't have in game parser, That's why our gear selection is between vanilla paste and vanilla paste + cool whip. That's why weeping city has been so controversial.

Scruity is fine it's how it's usually done that's the problem... The bolded part alone shows our concerns are justified.

I thought this whole thing was supposed to bring more choice to players? This isn't about players playing poorly or not knowing their class well it's about itemisation that's supposed to bring choice to players.

ie: Community generally agrees staff x is better than staff y, staff x becomes the accepted version for content.

^ optimisation taking away the choice that the new stats are supposed to offer.