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  1. #11
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    KeluBehemoth's Avatar
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    Kelu Euron
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    That is Garuda normal mode.

    Were talking about content post level 50.

    As for the DRK reference of Levithan? The primals themselves dont need to be taken out of the story.

    The 70 or so quests of "go talk to this guy, run here, run back, more pointless bantar and trash" is what needs to be removed.

    Im just using the primals as content release markers because I can't remember their exact patch numbers.
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    Last edited by KeluBehemoth; 06-18-2016 at 04:01 PM.

  2. 06-18-2016 04:09 PM
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  3. #12
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    Reila Circus
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Derio View Post
    Cross class skills are important. I can't tell you how many other DRKs I have ran into without provoke.
    This soo much. I can't begin to tell how painful it was to level my DRG only to run into DRKs without any cross skills. "Stop taking hate!" is something that no Tank should ever say.
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    Born to lose, Live to win.

    RIP Ian "Lemmy" Kilmister

  4. #13
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    Ilenya's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reila_Circus View Post
    This soo much. I can't begin to tell how painful it was to level my DRG only to run into DRKs without any cross skills. "Stop taking hate!" is something that no Tank should ever say.
    Provoke will not help with this. It's either a case of "Tank needs more practice" or "DPS needs to pay attention to what the tank is doing"
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    Nestama Eynfoetsyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Derio View Post
    Cross class skills are important. I can't tell you how many other DRKs I have ran into without provoke.
    GLA 30 and MRD 15 requirement for unlocking DRK. "I see you're not unfamiliar with taking hits for your group. Have this crystal."
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  6. #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nestama View Post
    GLA 30 and MRD 15 requirement for unlocking DRK. "I see you're not unfamiliar with taking hits for your group. Have this crystal."
    I had an AST in Neverreap once that didn't have protect, so...Yes please.
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  7. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilenya View Post
    Provoke will not help with this. It's either a case of "Tank needs more practice" or "DPS needs to pay attention to what the tank is doing"
    While that may be the case in early dunjins pre-level 50, by level 50 a DPS should not be able to snap aggro from a Tank attacking a singe target, which also happens to be a boss.

    Even worse when said in-experienced Tank decides to take a shot at Bismark Extreme. Which has a mandatory Provoke mechanic. While said Tank has decided to never touch GLA for cross class skills... Heavensward was such an interesting release.

    Speaking of which, while I don't think the Heavensward jobs should be obtained outside of Ishgard due to story reasons (just some things should not be changed just to appease a vocal minority,) I do believe any future expansion jobs should go to the base area as long as it fits with the story and lore.
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  8. #17
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    Aranie Crowley
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    Conjurer Lv 81
    Just let people have acces to 3.0 job at lvl 30 outside of Ishgard -_- we all know, the only reason they want a jumping level potion is to get access to the new jobs cause they are "so badass"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watachy View Post
    C'était en fait SE qui survolait Ishgard sur une liasse de billets

    Quote Originally Posted by KaivaC View Post
    People don't know how to take criticism anymore, and bad play is rewarded with with a coddling mentality. Yes, this is a casual game for the most part - that doesn't mean people need to walk on eggshells in fear of getting reported for pointing out things. This whole 'please don't say anything even slightly negative' mentality that we seem to be going towards and the devs seemingly pushing towards it is creating a disturbing trend.

  9. #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reila_Circus View Post
    While that may be the case in early dunjins pre-level 50, by level 50 a DPS should not be able to snap aggro from a Tank attacking a singe target, which also happens to be a boss.

    Even worse when said in-experienced Tank decides to take a shot at Bismark Extreme. Which has a mandatory Provoke mechanic. While said Tank has decided to never touch GLA for cross class skills... Heavensward was such an interesting release.
    I did forget about tank swap mechanics, but I stand by the fact that provoke won't help a tank who is somehow losing hate on a single target to a DPS. If the DPS doesn't hold back, the tank can't win, even with provoke, if s/he isn't ahead already.
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  10. #19
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    Eeri Yul'hart
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    End-game areas that contain only end game stuff should be the only thing possibly gated behind storyline, a la XI's sky and sea. Jobs (with their requirements), city hubs and the likes should be available to everyone regardless of progression in the story.

    But I'm sure they learned their lessons and that they will eventually change HW accordingly in the future.
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    Last edited by Imakun; 06-18-2016 at 05:27 PM.

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    Nestama Eynfoetsyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilenya View Post
    I had an AST in Neverreap once that didn't have protect, so...Yes please.
    For AST, it could be THM 30 and CNJ 15. Get Protect, Cleric Stance, Aero, as well as the all important Swiftcast.
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