Post Your Healing Horror Stories.

[raela]

Yep, it was only two of us in there, unsynced. The king eventually comes out even if you don't kill all of the moogles.

If anyone has a 50+ DPS on Jenova and wants to try to three man it sometime, I bet I could talk my friend into it. ;D

[DarkmoonVael]

Yep, it was only two of us in there, unsynced. The king eventually comes out even if you don't kill all of the moogles.

If anyone has a 50+ DPS on Jenova and wants to try to three man it sometime, I bet I could talk my friend into it. ;D

Oh sorry completely missed that you were unsynching it wih two people! Well that would have been a massacre then with the gear you said you had

[Anko_Bles]

Working my way through my Daily Roulettes on my AST, get to the Levelling Roulette and end up in The Aery.

Everything is going smoothly, keeping the tank alive(who was doing pretty well), Throwing my cards out all the time, Throwing out DoT's/Malefic II's during small packs/bosses and Gravity during bigger trash packs, refreshing any missing stoneskins as the last mobs die and cast Noct Benefic Shield on tank between pulls.

Then during the last few trash packs the BLM decides starts saying "lol...just no" after every trash pack.
We get to the last set of trash(the one with the waves of dragons) and when the last wave come (the ones that die in like 2-3 hits) I gravity them as they group on us ........

Only to be met with a wall of caps lock text saying that I should just heal and debuff ( I have no idea what he meant there, cards maybe) and that my damage is literally 0 and that AST is his main.

I tell him that if the tank is doing that good and not dying that i'm not just going to stand there and do nothing. And he just says that "debuffs would be better but w/e" (again what the hell did that mean?)

I just..... I don't even know what to make of that.

[Saseal]

I just..... I don't even know what to make of that.

lol.... debuffs.... >_> It means he doesn't know wtf he's talking about, for any and all of it.
From the sounds of it, you were doing fine. No dead tank, helping DPS, refreshing shields, stance and sect dancing.... sounds all good, to me >.> And assuming you were doing cards, too /shrug

[Saseal]

Was spamming Niddhogg sometime over the weekend, for the hell of it, and got a run that... well...

I'm used to parties vote abandoning over low DPS in the adds phase. It was about 50/50 pass/abandon in the times I'd spammed it...
but this run kinda took the cake for 'interesting'.

At first, I thought it would be a nice group - a good number of new people, about 3 or 4 non-new (the tanks, a dps and myself, I think). A tank explained to group what to do, then it was pulled. Once we got to the adds phase, I numbered Shadow Dragon/Middle add as '1' to focus........ then saw it immediately switch to a tank's add.
Now, from experience, every time I'd been in a group where they want tanks adds to be killed first,
a.) The person vehemently DEMANDS the tanks adds are killed first and generally turns aggressively toxic or pissy, real quick. I have -no- idea why these two things seem to correlate. o_o And I've seen it happen multiple times >_>a
b.) Rarely does it go well, thanks to the untouched, roaming shadow dragon that no one is paying attention to.

We can't meet the DPS check, several times, and the newer people are having problems dodging the blue/black AoEs. I understand that - it's hard to see, at first, but I've trained myself to listen for the "CHANK!" sound, rather than wait to see it. Tried telling the group this, but I'm not sure it was heard - or they just weren't hearing/unsure what I was talking about.
A few wipes later, the same tank goes completely toxic, the co-healer and a DPS are baited and fighting back and I'm just, "Guuyyyyyssss chiiillll. Frustration leads to anger and anger leads to mistakes - fighting is not going to help you or anyone else".... >.>; Something along those lines.
Luckily, that seemed to quiet the party for then and we gave it another go.... but the damage was already done - people are busy dying because they're typing and still angry with each other, the toxicity from the tank had already eaten away at everyone's will and patience and it's just a massacre.
And that tank just stood around at the start, doing nothing, sulking.

It ended up just being me, alive, so I just /sit in a cauterize.

Kicked the sulking tank.

Went over some tactics about the adds, hoping to redirect attention off that tank - stating that I'd been taught to do middle first, and why I think that's the best solution (DPS loss off the tanks dragons when everyone is either scattering and killing rotation to avoid the roaming dragon, or not seeing him patter up behind them and get the debuff... if he's attacked first, their attention is focused on him and his windups........ if the dps listen about not standing in front of him). etc.
(btw, if there's some tactic to killing the tanks dragons first, over the Shadow Dragon/middle add, I'm genuinely curious as to the reasoning, so I know for the future.... or if that tactic is just bunk)

New tank arrives - good to go.

We try the middle add kill, this time... we got closer, but the amount of DPS just wasn't enough. We did, however, get them down to the point where we thought we had it... killed the last dragon before Nidd's pushback, but it must not have been soon enough. Insta-wipe.

Morale is dead. It had be dying since the first tank's negativity.

Everyone just gave up, in one way or another... because in the next pull, it was just me and the MT still alive, after some one hit kills from Cauterize.... in the first phase.
Tried to raise the co-healer - they were having none of it. They were done.
Tried to raise a bard for mp.
Gots mah mp! \o/ /thanks!
Bard dies OTL
Try again...
dps dies.

At this point it's just me and the MT duo-ing it, for a good..... 5-10 mins?
Hey, maybe in a year or two, we can get LB3 up for me to slam?
Part of me is all, "Nooooo don't give up! The MT isn't giving up, so neither should you! \o/"
The other part of me is thinking, "They're hating your gaddamn guts, right now, for drawing this out |||OTL"
Nobody really said anything, but I hope they used this to study the routine/rotation that Nidd does x.x;

Several rounds of the hole AoEs/cauterize/wings/tail/roars later, I decide to try to catch the MT in my aspected (diurnal) helios on top of the aspected benefic so I can get some DPS in without being overly worried.
Moved in a little closer and started to cast when----baked kitty.
Nidd fire breathed/cleaved the tank just as I moved up under his chest (not quite under his neck, but not quite under his stomach) and one-shotted me. z_z
I have the shittiest timing, ever.

Tank proceeded to try to hold on, with living dead, etc, but I'm pretty sure you can guess how that ended, regardless.

Vote abandoned immediately after.

TL;DR - Even if the party isn't up to the challenge try, try and try - learn, learn and learn. Being an ass won't make the party better and will do nothing for anyone :/

[Cherub]

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I can't even. I love "Astro mains" like these. Had one while I was leveling up who told me arrow only affects melee's and how he's right because he "MAAAAINNNNSSSS" astro.
Just laugh it off, seriously. Anyone who fails to read tooltips properly of their supposed main job, isn't really maining that job but is just a walking joke.

[technole]

At first, I thought it would be a nice group - a good number of new people, about 3 or 4 non-new (the tanks, a dps and myself, I think). A tank explained to group what to do, then it was pulled. Once we got to the adds phase, I numbered Shadow Dragon/Middle add as '1' to focus........ then saw it immediately switch to a tank's add.

The tank was correct. The normal strategy is to kill the tank adds first in the order of Brobinyak -> Falak -> Dragon. In-fact you must do it that way in extreme, otherwise the tanks will die due to disease and stacks, which also prevents a tank swap. Although this strat works just as good in normal mode, even if it's just a simpler DPS check without the tank burden. You'll have more DPS if you free up a tank's add so they can drop tank stances and go ham on the other. One healer can just simply DPS both adds, then both healers can simply DPS the dragon when that is left. So if anything you are just making duty finder dps check harder (which we all know isn't always up-to-snuff) by killing the dragon first whereas the other two have to be tanked.

Dragon acts the same way as Stone Vigil HM version, they have no aggro table and the furthest range can bait their hit (usually a healer). There is no problem letting it run loose, their attacks are all telegraphed by their hands and just requires dodging. It just requires paying attention.

[Erim-Nelhah]

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As far as Nid EX is concerned, yes, you have to kill the other dragons first. In Normal, however, it's much more situational. Here's how:

Do we have a lot of BLMs, and to a lesser extent BRDs and MCHs in the group? Kill the Shadow dragon first - otherwise your DPS are left with the following choice: move and lose dps, or stand still and lose dps. BLMs especially need to be able to "turret", but BRDs and MCHs are less mobile than SMNs and Melee. If not, you can try killing the other dragons first, but see the next paragraph.

If your comp is mobile enough to be able to put up good dps while avoiding the cleave, and you wipe anyway, ask yourself if people are paying attention and getting out of the way of the Shadow Dragon's cleave. If they aren't, the Shadow Dragon should die first so that fewer debuffs go out and people can do more DPS.

And remember: This is DF we're talking about here. There's a reason "Shadow First" has become the default on Normal (not that I'm happy about it, but that's the way it is).

--Erim Nelhah

[technole]

Dragon first isn't the default kill order in normal, and party comp doesn't matter. A healer can stand in the north or south part of the platform to bait the Dragon fireballs themselves. The melee cleave would happen regardless if it's all melee or what not. You only have to move over when his hands move, that hardly much of a dps loss. No one has to run around like a chicken just because the add does roam free.

The bigger gain is there is two freed tanks in DPS, and two healers are able to contribute DPS as there no healing required for that one.

[Normalizer]

There is no fireball in normal, only cleave, and in DF i'm pretty sure most people not gonna dodge. A few dps with dmg down debuff would lead to a wipe easy