Report All the people Selling AND Buying houses in PF

[Masekase_Hurricane]

I personally wouldn't buy a house from a player and got the FC house and my personal house when lots was relinquished. Actually managed to get them on the same day. The problem is if there was an actual decent amount of houses people wouldn't bat an eyelid at overpriced houses and that is SE fault. Personal houses shouldn't even exist atm in housing areas. We are all guilty of exploiting at some point in the game i.e crafting new tools,weapons and making extreme amounts of profit over cost to make. Players also took advantage of relic items when they was made craftable by crafters.

Mor dhona should of already been made into the first place for instanced personal housing, as for the housing areas they should of stayed FC only.

[StouterTaru]

No, selling it...and exploiting the buyer when you KNOW its worth less than what you are selling it...Ill put the example of Matilda (Was on TV) Her father takes crappy cars and sells them for a lot more than they are worth.

You quoted me describing a scenario where someone holds on to a house they don't want, and called that exploitation.

Your Matilda reference doesn't fit, unless the housing plot turns out to be a lemon that you can't place furniture in.

You confuse what a house is worth with what the game charges.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

How many plots do we have around 2600 all areas? So even if every genuine player bought an FC house (around 1393* FC's on Ragnarok classed as active and 2700* in total) we would still be in this mess. After this add on all players for personal and we would still see people willing to pay 10 mill+ as they have very little choice. No point arguing about it and no point banning people. SE has caused this problem and they need to fix it urgently.

*Can only go by Lodestone as we don't have actual numbers so will be some inaccuracy.

[MomomiMomi]

when you KNOW its worth less than what you are selling it

Please, please learn some basics of economics. This isn't just to you, but to a lot of people here. I'm going to be lazy and quote wikipedia here for you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_(economics) Emphasis mine.

Economic value is a measure of the benefit provided by a good or service to an economic agent. It is generally measured relative to units of currency, and the interpretation is therefore "what is the maximum amount of money a specific actor is willing and able to pay for the good or service"?

Note that economic value is not the same as market price, nor is economic value the same thing as market value. If a consumer is willing to buy a good, it implies that the customer places a higher value on the good than the market price. The difference between the value to the consumer and the market price is called "consumer surplus". It is easy to see situations where the actual value is considerably larger than the market price: purchase of drinking water is one example.

"Worth" is not the same as market price. If someone is able and willing to pay 10x the market price, it's worth 10x the market price. This is a value that will be different for every person.

[Dimitrii]

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Don't be disingenuous. You make it sound as if you are conducting a public service by selling a house for at least twice what the buyer could have otherwise paid for it had you simply just relinquished it. What players with this mindset are thinking of is the financial gain bottom line, they don't give a fk about whether or not the plot of land is used. Are you gonna go check on the buyer after you sell it to make sure it's being used? No and you shouldn't care either but don't try to spin this into something it's not by acting like you are doing anybody favors, you are simply making a profit at others expense. The land would have sold regardless of whether you had out right relinquished it, let it auto demolish, or flipped it if you found a buyer. The difference is only one of those 3 methods nets you a profit.

[MomomiMomi]

The land would have sold regardless of whether you had out right relinquished it, let it auto demolish, or flipped it if you found a buyer. The difference is only one of those 3 methods nets you a profit.

You seem to have skipped over the first question. Why would you relinquish it? If you don't relinquish, it does not sell.

[Dimitrii]

You seem to have skipped over the first question. Why would you relinquish it? If you don't relinquish, it does not sell.

If you wanna be a d*** and keep the land even though you don't or won't ever use it then that's up to you. Ultimately you did purchase the land so no one can set guidelines as to how frequently, if at all, you must use it. The only rule set forth by SE in regards to house usage would be that it must have activity at least once during a 45 day period, beyond that they do not specify any mandated use for the home. And if you are actually bothering to visit it enough to prevent it from auto demolishing then clearly you must still want it/use it. Beyond that SE cannot possibly legislate what is acceptable usage frequency of the homes, all they can do is make sure that it is used/visited at some frequency even if it is a very low frequency.

[StouterTaru]

Don't be disingenuous. You make it sound as if you are conducting a public service by selling a house for at least twice what the buyer could have otherwise paid for it had you simply just relinquished it.

The buyer sure thinks it's a public service, since they otherwise wouldn't have that plot.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Only reason I go on my estate is gardening everything else I do at my Free company house as I am there more. Instead of forcing us to enter house to keep it maybe it would be better creating more need to go in the house. Yet they cant do that due to unfair advantage to people who don't have a house. They have totally screwed housing up atm.

[Dimitrii]

The buyer sure thinks it's a public service, since they otherwise wouldn't have that plot.

Not that it matters since this is semantics but no that is a business transaction, not a public service. The form of public service I was alluding to was very clearly:

Public service: something that is done to help people rather than to make a profit

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dicti...blic%20service