Report All the people Selling AND Buying houses in PF

[Snugglebutt]

Since that was clearly over your head, I'll explain it to you.

You provide evidence, call it unimpeachable absolute proof. Equally valid evidence is given to the contrary, you ignore it and continue to claim your absolute proof.

I did the exact same thing you did, except ignoring different evidence.

Seem's to me that even if Yoshi himself told you it was against the ToS you would say/imply that he is a liar though not to his face but on these forums. If the evidence supplied saying it is against the ToS was indeed from a GM supervisor and not just a normal GM and/or if was a newer reply than the one your using against it then sorry to tell you this but the one saying it is against the ToS would be much 'more' valid and not 'equally' valid. Regardless of whether SE was more lenient in the past or if the normal GM was giving the wrong information when said was just frowned upon, if the one the other person linked is newer and/or from a supervisor then that is enough evidence that whatever the case might have been in the past...it is currently against the ToS.

[MomomiMomi]

Seem's to me that even if Yoshi himself told you it was against the ToS you would say/imply that he is a liar though not to his face but on these forums. If the evidence supplied saying it is against the ToS was indeed from a GM supervisor and not just a normal GM and/or if was a newer reply than the one your using against it then sorry to tell you this but the one saying it is against the ToS would be much 'more' valid and not 'equally' valid. Regardless of whether SE was more lenient in the past or if the normal GM was giving the wrong information when said was just frowned upon, if the one the other person linked is newer and/or from a supervisor then that is enough evidence that whatever the case might have been in the past...it is currently against the ToS.

No, enough evidence is when they come out and make an official statement. They have yet to do that despite countless requests. Until then, we have conflicting information.

[MikeWW]

Deranged or greedy, or most likely both.

He just keeps going despite images clearly showing GM supervisor saying house resale is against ToS and that all the GM's would be informed to be on the same page. And he thinks he is winning the argument even though he's failing as bad as Rhitahtyn sas Arvina trying to solo eight players.

[Dzian]

But since they put in that new 45 days system you will get something back?? It wont be 100% of the price you paid but around 70% of your gil will be paid back so not sure why you say that you will get nothing out of it?
The perfect way to handle such a thing would be giving up your house by talking to a npc and maybe getting 95% of your gil back or something like that. No way for other people to sell houses and if you dont want one anymore you will get most of your money back. But sadly SE likes to go the difficult exploitable ways..

this but at the same time you only get back plot costs. you don't get back any money spent on fixtures interior or such things that can't be removed such as aetheryte mail boxes etc. exterior or the cost of the building permit itself......

this is why I suggested a direct transfer where I could literally hand over ownership to a tenant or third party and in this fashion I could possibly get some reimbursement for those fixtures and stuff.

the main reason I don't sell my house is because ultimately whoever would buy it from me via the party finder would have to pay twice. and they shouldn't have to.

a way to sell back to npcs would definitely be better than what we have now. but I do feel a direct transfer system is also needed in some fashion. maybe I decide to unsub for a few months and go travelling, I think its a bit unfair then that my teneants who have helped furnish and decorate our home be evicted cos I haven't logged in...

[MomomiMomi]

Deranged or greedy, or most likely both.

He just keeps going despite images clearly showing GM supervisor saying house resale is against ToS and that all the GM's would be informed to be on the same page. And he thinks he is winning the argument even though he's failing as bad as Rhitahtyn sas Arvina trying to solo eight players.

http://puu.sh/kkDhi/f7fe4c8233.png

Images are not proof. We need an official statement made.

[StouterTaru]

Seem's to me that even if Yoshi himself told you it was against the ToS you would say/imply that he is a liar though not to his face but on these forums.

I would accept an official statement from SE, but we still don't have one. All we have is hearsay and screenshots of things said to individuals in game.

[Gumbercules]

Think its safe to say they wont give an official response till they have checked their own ToS and had it cleared through legal. ToS goes both ways it is in a way a contract that SE themselves can also "break" to legal consequence. YoshiP and SE just tend to underestimate the western market and its tendency to "play the system" XD They shouldn't have to cover every single possible "fair play" angle, but that doesn't mean they don't need too.

(won't lie alot of my comment is speculation, but would be curious to know if Japanese players/servers are going through a similar scenario. Should also note not all NA/EU servers are going through this, for the most part seems those that bought in Hyperion are using what they bought)

[Avera]

Think its safe to say they wont give an official response till they have checked their own ToS and had it cleared through legal. ToS goes both ways it is in a way a contract that SE themselves can also "break" to legal consequence. YoshiP and SE just tend to underestimate the western market and its tendency to "play the system" XD They shouldn't have to cover every single possible "fair play" angle, but that doesn't mean they don't need too.

(won't lie alot of my comment is speculation, but would be curious to know if Japanese players/servers are going through a similar scenario. Should also note not all NA/EU servers are going through this, for the most part seems those that bought in Hyperion are using what they bought)

Ive heard the japanese players dont have this problem...but not for sure since I cant speak Japanese

[TaranTatsuuchi]

I would accept an official statement from SE, but we still don't have one. All we have is hearsay and screenshots of things said to individuals in game.

And if we don't raise a fuss about it, I don't think we'll ever get one.

That's what all this is about, all the forum threads, all the reporting.
We need to show that it's enough of an issue that they need to make that statement.

[MomomiMomi]

And if we don't raise a fuss about it, I don't think we'll ever get one.

That's what all this is about, all the forum threads, all the reporting.
We need to show that it's enough of an issue that they need to make that statement.

The statement should be made before punishing players. As it is, people are asking that players who are confused on whether this is allowed or not be punished.