Report All the people Selling AND Buying houses in PF

[MomomiMomi]

instead allowing instanced person housing (home plus some land outside the home) which only requires the individual (FC or personal) home to be active/functioning when members of the FC (if FC home), people who have been granted sharing (if personal home) or the FC/personal home owners go there (with or without other people in the party tagging along).

Newsflash: The houses are already instanced.

[Snugglebutt]

Newsflash: The houses are already instanced.

Don't be a smart-arse, you should already know what I mean. The inside of a house is but outside of it aka the wards are not. The wards are huge zones which are active 24/7 which takes up a large amount of server resources unlike what I was saying which is individual plots of land with single house and that would take up vastly less resources because they are inactive unless someone goes there. Same way we have infinite inn rooms aka everyone has one, they are not loaded unless someone is there...with wards however that is not the case and they are a constantly active drain on server resources. You may think the mere novelty of housing wards is worth locking out a vast amount of additional players from owning their own house but I do not. Unlike some other people on these forums despite the fact I already own my own house, I never lost my compassion for the plight of those without one.

[Alleo]

the problem then is that you expect people with housing to just give them up. and release the plots for nothing. which doesn't really happen. I hardly use mine and would happily sell it. but i'm not just going to relinquish it for no return. it costs me nothing to keep so i'd rather than have something than have nothing.

But since they put in that new 45 days system you will get something back?? It wont be 100% of the price you paid but around 70% of your gil will be paid back so not sure why you say that you will get nothing out of it?
The perfect way to handle such a thing would be giving up your house by talking to a npc and maybe getting 95% of your gil back or something like that. No way for other people to sell houses and if you dont want one anymore you will get most of your money back. But sadly SE likes to go the difficult exploitable ways..

[MikeWW]

The definitive answer is that house resale from one player to another is against ToS, as stated by a GM supervisor who said he would make sure that all GM's will be informed so they can all be on the same page regarding the issue.

To clarify, house resale is against ToS, as per the official response of a GM supervisor.

Hi, let me explain it to you in simpler terms.

House resale is no no.

House resale is a big no no!

House resale is against ToS.

House resale is a black area, not a grey area. Black is bad.

Please stop listening to the vegetables trying to say house flipping is not bad or that house resale is a grey area.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...nitive_answer/

[Avera]

Thaaaank you Mike =w=

[StouterTaru]

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The definitive answer is that it is all allowable under the ToS, because a GM said this to an inquiry:


Or how about this one:

It's not bannable. I can confirm this with my FC situation.

We wanted a large. We actually struck a good deal with someone to get their plot. We had to call a GM because two people were camping the plot to try and steal it from us the second it gets free. GM did come to help with situation, but the guys grew bored of waiting and left already. We clearly stated in the ticket we were buying the house from another, yet no punish and no warning. Hell, the GM took screenshots with us in front of our new house.

So that is absolute 100% proof right there.

[MomomiMomi]

Same way we have infinite inn rooms aka everyone has one, they are not loaded unless someone is there

Inn rooms are not the same as instanced personal houses. Inn rooms save no data. Personal houses do.

Instanced houses would change little.

[MikeWW]

The definitive answer is that it is all allowable under the ToS, because a GM said this to an inquiry:


Or how about this one:


So that is absolute 100% proof right there.

That person doesn't show any screenshot evidence, and the GM supervisor made it clear it is against ToS. I can right now say a GM told me it's okay to spam people with goldselling messages, but if I don't provide picture evidence why would anyone believe me?

Maybe it is 100% proof right there?

Okay, then here is 100% proof that you are wrong. I asked a GM and we stood around chatting and he said there was no record of that person you mentioned, whoever that house flipper defender is, getting permission by a GM to resell the house. The GM also reaffirmed the fact that house resale is against ToS.

Enjoy the 100% proof.

[MomomiMomi]

That person doesn't show any screenshot evidence, and the GM supervisor made it clear it is against ToS. I can right now say a GM told me it's okay to spam people with goldselling messages, but if I don't provide picture evidence why would anyone believe me?

Maybe it is 100% proof right there?

Okay, then here is 100% proof that you are wrong. I asked a GM and we stood around chatting and he said there was no record of that person you mentioned, whoever that house flipper defender is, getting permission by a GM to resell the house. The GM also reaffirmed the fact that house resale is against ToS.

Enjoy the 100% proof.

The 100% proof comment was sarcasm pointing out that you have no absolute proof that it is against the ToS.

[StouterTaru]

Enjoy the 100% proof.

Since that was clearly over your head, I'll explain it to you.

You provide evidence, call it unimpeachable absolute proof. Equally valid evidence is given to the contrary, you ignore it and continue to claim your absolute proof.

I did the exact same thing you did, except ignoring different evidence.