Report All the people Selling AND Buying houses in PF

[StouterTaru]

And I am sorry, I don't really feel bad about the people that I or others will "hurt" with this.

It's not about not feeling bad, that's indifference. Indifferent people don't form lynch mobs. It's about receiving pleasure or satisfaction from someone else's pain or misery. That's what the house flippers are being accused of here, while they are the indifferent ones.

[CuteWhisper]

I always report the ones that sell houses in Party Finder. Its very frustrating to see them selling them way more expensive because some people are desperate.

[Avera]

I always report the ones that sell houses in Party Finder. Its very frustrating to see them selling them way more expensive because some people are desperate.

Whats sad is...me and my friends whom are homeless are silently getting to that breaking point...we want a house, we are putting all our gil together to try and buy one...it really hurts to see what has happened...I just want a small house in the Beds...I have the money but not to a seller.

[CuteWhisper]

Whats sad is...me and my friends whom are homeless are silently getting to that breaking point...we want a house, we are putting all our gil together to try and buy one...it really hurts to see what has happened...I just want a small house in the Beds...I have the money but not to a seller.

I don't know what they were thinking when they thought it would be a good idea to just add a few wards... Come on SE, you can do better than this!

[Avera]

I don't know what they were thinking when they thought it would be a good idea to just add a few wards... Come on SE, you can do better than this!

No kidding...they manage 24-man raids like clockwork, but they cant make a decent housing system :T

[Dzian]

Whats sad is...me and my friends whom are homeless are silently getting to that breaking point...we want a house, we are putting all our gil together to try and buy one...it really hurts to see what has happened...I just want a small house in the Beds...I have the money but not to a seller.

the problem then is that you expect people with housing to just give them up. and release the plots for nothing. which doesn't really happen. I hardly use mine and would happily sell it. but i'm not just going to relinquish it for no return. it costs me nothing to keep so i'd rather than have something than have nothing. it hardly gets used but its an asset so to speak and it's not like its taking up valuable inventory space or anything. so there's no reason to get rid of it.

what they need though is a decent transfer system. because if I were to sell my plot to someone they inevitably end up paying for it twice. paying me to relinquish and then paying again for the land.

the way I see it. all they really need to do is make ownership transferrable. so if someone wants my house they could for example pay me and I could simply make them a tenant and then hand over ownership to them. or something similar to that. seems the easiest way to do it. wouldn't be much different to handing over fc leadership to someone else....

this way if I were to unsubscribe any tenants in my residence would not find themselves homeless after I hadn't logged in for 30 days as I could transfer it to them before I left... or failing that simply make it so as long as a tenant enters the house the 30 day timer is reset.

At present I don't see a problem with people selling there plots in party finders simply because currently that's the only way you can do so. the only other way is to relinquish for no return in which case people will just keep there houses even if hardly used.
the issue is the buyers having to pay twice..

you can't really blame people for wanting to sell there houses instead of just give them up... but they can't sell them properly. so the options are keep it or lose everything you've spent on it... which is why everyone keeps it.

[Avera]

snip.

I do think they could have a way to trade houses or some crud...but its not fair to resell a plot at 20x its value...

[ReathaPrease]

I have a feeling SE knows what they're doing. They have had plenty of chances to change the system.

[CuteWhisper]

I have a feeling SE knows what they're doing. They have had plenty of chances to change the system.

No I am pretty sure they just don't even want to admit they made a crappy feature and prepared to fix it or.... Just too lazy.

[Snugglebutt]

what they need though is a decent transfer system. because if I were to sell my plot to someone they inevitably end up paying for it twice. paying me to relinquish and then paying again for the land.

the way I see it. all they really need to do is make ownership transferrable. so if someone wants my house they could for example pay me and I could simply make them a tenant and then hand over ownership to them. or something similar to that. seems the easiest way to do it. wouldn't be much different to handing over fc leadership to someone else....

this way if I were to unsubscribe any tenants in my residence would not find themselves homeless after I hadn't logged in for 30 days as I could transfer it to them before I left... or failing that simply make it so as long as a tenant enters the house the 30 day timer is reset.

SE could maybe change the relinquish function to include an (NPC only) option of buying your house off you at 80% of what it cost to buy from the system in the first place, by proxy countering the malign profiteering going on currently on what is one of the most sought after yet limited things in game which SE have already put a 'maximum' price on that SE tells people have to pay if want one. The function/NPC should buy back at less than what paid but enough so that feel you haven't lost all your investment just like the reclamation function which only gives around 70-80% back.

It should then be put back on the market 24 hours later at the maximum price SE already set for it originally which is same price it cost you to buy it from the system and during those 24 hours everyone is given notice that it is coming back on the market soon via a third type of ward listing (already owned/not owned/in process of relisting) with different icon/description that has a visible countdown timer on till the 24 hours expires.

House flippers should still be punished (house taken from them, put back on the market with no refund given) if they are selling plots through PF or outside of that new NPC however to counter people screwing others over like they do now charging 10x or more than maximum price SE already set. Personally however I think despite the fact I think house flippers should be punished, the housing plot severe limit due to using wards is the biggest issue. Bad ideas like reverse auction wouldn't change that, good ideas like an NPC option to re-buy the house from you at 80% at any time wouldn't solve that issue either.

The ward system is a nice concept but does more harm than good currently. The way I would of liked SE to solve the biggest problem is doing away with hugely resource/infrastructure intensive wards which need to be active 24/7, instead allowing instanced person housing (home plus some land outside the home) which only requires the individual (FC or personal) home to be active/functioning when members of the FC (if FC home), people who have been granted sharing (if personal home) or the FC/personal home owners go there (with or without other people in the party tagging along).