Report All the people Selling AND Buying houses in PF

[Avera]

Hmm someone has four private houses (or even more right now?) and is against punishing sellers...strange right

Our FC has a house and I have a small one too so I have nothing to complain about but I still hope that SE will punish these house sellers hard..I can feel the pain from all those people that want their own home but cant get it because some greedy people thinks its fine to do something like that in a game...Its horrible enough that this exist in the real world too..

. They might not be punished right now but maybe enough complains might change SE minds on the housing situation in general..Maybe they will one day even implement a restriction for only one house per server or something like that..(Still not sure why they did not see that happen with such a limited item..)

This. Just so much this.

[Elodie-kitteh]

I think there should be a way people can sell a plot they have and no longer want because either they don't need or want it anymore. I don't think many object to that. It's the ones who buy plots with the soul purpose of selling and at a hiked up price. In an ideal world plots would be resold for the price they were brought for. That would stop some of the scalpers and flippers in it for simple greed.

[Avera]

I think there should be a way people can sell a plot they have and no longer want because either they don't need or want it anymore. I don't think many object to that. It's the ones who buy plots with the soul purpose of selling and at a hiked up price. In an ideal world plots would be resold for the price they were brought for. That would stop some of the scalpers and flippers in it for simple greed.

I bet they could have an auction to the owners and just sell it around the price the plot was bought at, and then we bid it up...that might please all of us.

[Avera]

I bet they could have an auction to the owners and just sell it around the price the plot was bought at, and then we bid it up...that might please all of us.

To add to this, I think SE would have to put a limit on how high you can bid, and they could choose starting bid prices for some sort of House Auctioning system...and ofc...we pick how much we bid up to the max that gets set if they added this.

[StouterTaru]

To add to this, I think SE would have to put a limit on how high you can bid, and they could choose starting bid prices for some sort of House Auctioning system...and ofc...we pick how much we bid up to the max that gets set if they added this.

And like the reverse auction system, max price is so stupid low that it doesn't even matter. First person with common sense bids max price and wins.

[Alleo]

Deciding that something might be is an oxymoron.

Clearly I'm in on the house flipping to have 4 houses. Especially on Exodus, where there are less than 200 houses that are yet to be bought. There's only about 120 small houses left, and most are in the Goblet. The only way I could possibly have 4 is by getting them through flipping, or RMT, or hacking, or something like that.

I am sorry ^^ English is not my mother tongue so not everything might be right in my sentences.

Well you don't have to be a house seller but I find it funny that you are so against punishing sellers if there is nothing negative for you. ^^ Why would it be bad if they truly will be punishing them if you are not interested in selling houses some where down the road? Its like in the topic I linked where you first said that people just should use their FC rooms if they want housing so bad because there is nothing interesting there to need private housing and later saying that you even have four houses.

@ Dzian: But now you will get a lot of your gil back if you wait those 45 days. It might not be everything and you wont get back those more rare items but you will lose them anyway. But if you sell your house this will mean double the price for the buyers (min.) and they don't even have the security to know that it will be theirs after they paid you the money.

The best would be if SE would have implemented a system where you can have only one private house per server and that there would be a NPC that you can sell your house back to with maybe a very little fee for doing so. You get your money back, another person can just purchase the house again and nobody would be able to sell those houses to others. (Maybe you can only give it up by talking to that NPC) I still don't know why they never thought about the possibility that this might get exploited by the players...

[StouterTaru]

Well you don't have to be a house seller but I find it funny that you are so against punishing sellers if there is nothing negative for you.

1 - Because there has not been an official statement that it's against the ToS. That should be step 1, before punishing people for flipping houses
2 - Because it's a symptom, not the problem. All it does is make some people with masochistic tendencies happy that someone else got hurt.

[MikeWW]

1 - Because there has not been an official statement that it's against the ToS. That should be step 1, before punishing people for flipping houses

You responded to a post of mine where I did post an image showing a GM supervisor respond and say it is against ToS. It is safe for everyone to just assume you are someone with a vested interest in defending house flipping. I don't see you contributing anything of value, just a lot of bs.

[StouterTaru]

You responded to a post of mine where I did post an image showing a GM supervisor respond and say it is against ToS.

And there are other images of GMs saying that it's not against the ToS, also without the full context of the question/situation. You can't ignore evidence against your argument while touting evidence of equal validity as absolute proof. There have been a thousand threads on the official forum about flipping, can you point to a single response by any SE employee stating their stance on it?

Your contribution is a lot of BS and baseless accusations.

[Alleo]

1 - Because there has not been an official statement that it's against the ToS. That should be step 1, before punishing people for flipping houses
2 - Because it's a symptom, not the problem. All it does is make some people with masochistic tendencies happy that someone else got hurt.

Well someone posted some screenshots about it and there was a post some time back at reddit showing someone in GM jail for that. ^^ But I agree there is sadly no official statement on it but I hope that SE will soon post one if enough people are showing that they don't like this situation (and more people reporting them ^^)

Well yes its only a band aid ^^ like most of the housing changes. They could have done this way better but they did not which means that the only thing that they could do now is either 1. ignoring it making people more and more angrier about this 2. make a official statement that this is against the ToS or 3. change the system which means only one house per character and maybe being able to sell the house back to are npc. (For example)

The worse we could do (imo) is just sit here, don't say a thing and hope that they will change it. ^^

And I am sorry, I don't really feel bad about the people that I or others will "hurt" with this. Exactly like how they don't give a damn about the other players by buying and selling those houses, even more since this is such a limited item. But nice to know that its us that have the masochistic tendencies and not those that exploit such a system and showing one of the worse sides of humanity. (Like I said, I dislike this greed in RL too ^^)