Report All the people Selling AND Buying houses in PF

[MomomiMomi]

Defending Stouts position which is adamantly in favor of house flipping and telling people earlier that they should not be angry at house flippers, saying house flippers are not the problem. People have every right to be angry at house flippers because they screw them over and charge immensely more than what SE set as a maximum price for plots.

They are a problem, but they are secondary problem. Getting rid of house flippers isn't going to get most of these people complaining a house. Fix the real problem and house flippers will disappear immediately. You can't expect people to pay a relinquishing fee that covers your cost AND a maximum price that is out of most people's range. It just won't happen. Flippers would be out of business, and the people who only somewhat want a house wouldn't even consider one anymore. This would open a lot of houses for those who truly want them.

This is of course a solution with the already existing constraint of very limited supply that SE has provided us with, which is the true problem. The best solution is obviously houses for everyone. But I'm being realistic, not idealistic.

[Snugglebutt]

They are a problem, but they are secondary problem. Getting rid of house flippers isn't going to get most of these people complaining a house. Fix the real problem and house flippers will disappear immediately. You can't expect people to pay a relinquishing fee that covers your cost AND a maximum price that is out of most people's range. It just won't happen. Flippers would be out of business, and the people who only somewhat want a house wouldn't even consider one anymore. This would open a lot of houses for those who truly want them.

SE can do more than one thing at a time, while they work on a full solution to all the problems they can start tackling flippers which are part of the problem. They shouldn't do nothing just because solving part of the problem won't solve all the problems. They can punish flippers now while work on a long term solution.

Strip anyone caught flipping houses of the house and give them no refund in the meantime which will put a lot of flippers off if see action being taken enough times while SE comes up with and implements a more extensive solution that covers the rest of the problems later. I have no sympathy for flippers, it screws over other people on one of the things that should never be used by players to screw others over in this game aka housing plots...there is little else as desired by the player base or as extremely limited or as expensive already for most people as plots which also already have a maximum price set by SE that flippers pay then raise by ten times or more that price.

[MomomiMomi]

Se can do more than one thing at a time, while they work on a full solution to all the problems they can start tackling flippers which are part of the problem. They shouldn't do nothing just because solving part of the problem won't solve all the problems. They can punish flippers now while work on a long term solution. Strip anyone caught flipping houses of the house and give them no refund in the meantime which will put a lot of flippers off if see action being taken enough times while SE comes up with and implements a more extensive solution that covers the rest of the problems later.

That's all well and good, but what people should really be asking for is for SE to solve the issue. People think that's what they're doing here. They're not. They're asking for a cure for the symptoms, not a cure for the disease.

What I want is the problem fixed, which would simultaneously cure the symptom. And it's a very simple solution of raising a number.

Not to speak for him, but it's also what Stouter was saying. But you took it out of context and read it as him defending flippers. His suggestion would be the end of flippers.

[Snugglebutt]

That's all well and good, but what people should really be asking for is for SE to solve the issue. People think that's what they're doing here. They're not. They're asking for a cure for the symptoms, not a cure for the disease.

People in here are saying they want house flippers dealt with, it doesn't matter if they are stopped from doing it by a full solution or punished for doing it while SE works on that full solution but what they do not want is SE to do nothing just because SE hasn't come up with or implemented a full solution yet.

There are four things above and beyond all others from the social/community aspect aka (non-game features, functions or mechanics) which annoy me the most in this game. First is RMT, second is botters/cheaters, third is jerks who screw over or abuse new players in dungeons runs/trials or raids etc and fourth is house flippers. There are many other things that annoy me to varying degrees in the aspect of game with regards to functions, features and mechanics but from a social and community point of view those four things annoy me the most.

I am actually holding back on how I write things about this here to those in defense of flippers, if you merely want to express a possible solution that's fine but I suggest you don't tell me or anyone else they should not be angry over house flippers. They have every right to be angry at them and house flippers deserve the anger they get for it because it is something that screws over people on one of the things (more so than many others) which people should not be screwed over on by other players. Don't tell people they shouldn't complain about house flippers just because it is part of the problem and dealing with them would only solve part of the issues because surprising enough people are more than capable of caring about the house flipper issue while also caring about coming up with a full solution.

[StouterTaru]

house flippers screw people over on a very limited supply feature which SE have already set a maximum price people are expected to pay for it

There aren't enough houses for everyone that wants one to get it at the "maximum price people are expected to pay for it." Period. Stripping away the 10% of houses that were flipped, getting angry, name calling, and leading a lynch mob against flippers won't change that.

The point of a reverse auction is that it starts more than anyone is willing to pay. That shifts the limited resource away from the lottery race system and into a system where everyone has an equal shot, and it eliminates flipping. Of course that's not acceptable, because a fair system without flipping isn't what the pitchfork and torch mob wants, they want their own house for cheap. But since they can't have that, they want someone else to be punished.

[MomomiMomi]

Like I said, be angry at house flippers all you want. But you should be even more angry at SE for not fixing this problem when they're fully capable of doing it.

[Lan_Mantear]

I don't think there is technically anything in the TOS that state you can't pay someone to relinquish their lot or similar activities. It is socially unacceptable, maybe. But it is not unlawful.

You could loosely claim that 3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers. But that would be stretching it.

People are calling bloody murder simply because they fell hurt about not having a plot. Personally, I would rather have SE focus on the solution, rather than the vocal minority. The sad truth is, the average player doesn't care, because the average player can't afford 3+ million Gil. 3 million is just as unreachable as 40 million.

[Snugglebutt]

I don't think there is technically anything in the TOS that state you can't pay someone to relinquish their lot or similar activities. It is socially unacceptable, maybe. But it is not unlawful.

You could loosely claim that 3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers. But that would be stretching it.

People are calling bloody murder simply because they fell hurt about not having a plot. Personally, I would rather have SE focus on the solution, rather than the vocal minority. The sad truth is, the average player doesn't care, because the average player can't afford 3+ million Gil. 3 million is just as unreachable as 40 million.

Not true, I have a plot already but that doesn't mean I cannot be annoyed at house flippers on other peoples behalf. It is not just 'people feeling hurt about not having a plot'. There is right and wrong, house flippers are so far in the wrong that SE should punish them by taking away their houses and giving them no refund. Then SE puts that plot back on the market at the already decided maximum price SE set so someone who can afford to pay what SE told them would be the maximum they need to save up to buy it can do so, giving them an equal chance to buy one as someone who has more than what SE told them it would cost.

[Lan_Mantear]

Not true, I have a plot already but that doesn't mean I cannot be annoyed at house flippers or mean they shouldn't be punished for their actions.

You can be annoyed all you want, but that doesn't translate into them breaking the law. What should they be punished for? Hurting your feelings?

[Snugglebutt]

You can be annoyed all you want, but that doesn't translate into them breaking the law. What should they be punished for? Hurting your feelings?

I would put it down as harassment and/or disruptive behavior. It also is something that is against the intended purpose which is also punishable by SE. It doesn't need to be against the 'law', it just needs to be causing distress to a lot of people or breaking the 'rules' for SE to take action.