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    Fluffernuff's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by SyzzleSpark View Post
    I'm hardly badmouthing anyone. I just want folks to appreciate what we have instead of constantly trying to fix something that isn't broken. Things could most certainly be ADDED to DRK, but there is literally nothing that I would remove or change into something else.
    Honestly, you've been a bit aggressive. simply ASSUMING I "don't play the job right" because I personally feel the kit is wonky is a bit of an ad hominem. just because I feel its counter to it's design doesnt mean I dont use DADD or DADP. just because I feel it's poor design doesnt mean I use them with BP. I'm sorry I don't and can't play on a level someone somewhere deems "worthy".
    but I'm not one to start some forum fight over it. you asked for the thought process of why I think this way? I THOUGHT I explained in my OP, but I suppose I didn't.

    I started this thread and specifically stated it was NOT a "I demand these changes because i NEED them". I stated simply there are are some holes I personally felt existed and gave stupid ideas and offered the floor to others to discuss theirs. You've voiced that DRK is in an "ok" spot. thats fair. In fact, I feel that DRK is also fine. they're competitive with the other 2 tanks, after all. things are working.

    That said, I still stand by my opinion. So here's my reasoning-
    DADD + DADP. so we essentially stack evasion and blind and its a good mitigation tool. us having access to both blind and evasion is unique to DRK. Albeit it costs 4400 MP, but we have it. The thing is you've put this uniquely evasion "combo" onto a class that has abilities locked behind or reliant on actually taking the hits. THAT is contrary and poorly designed in my opinion.
    We're simply making use of abilities presented to us. thats great and all, but that doesn't justify it's "as intended" to me. it's too contrary to itself. PLD and WAR dont step over their own feet like that. Working harder to get over design isnt my definition of "advanced"

    LD, I admit, is more useful than I had assumed. simply because I havent been in that environment (frankly, it's a personal reason I don't feel has a place to be brought up over a forum just to justify my position). I still REALLY don't agree with a skill that actually says it kills you in it's tooltip being on a tank. I simply want it to have less input from someone else. CAN this be alleviated with communication and attention? yes. SHOULD it require specific communication and attention? I don't believe it should. As a side note, I believe it should be universally useful, not just as a "raid only tank buster" move. Which was also brought up DRK should get- another thing I didnt know they were "lacking"

    As for the idea of Reprisal... I havent given it a whole lot of thought. I mean i suppose another 210 potency skill and a damage debuff would be nice in OT. but what other than reprisal would be nice to have in OT? I admit to being a little bitter the SS debuff being PvP only, but at the same time, it's obvious it would overshadow the other tanks- PLD moreso than WAR.
    I mean the floors open for people to bring up ideas there. again, this isnt a "oh please SE! we NEED this! listen to UUUUS!" thread

    SS is better for DRK than Crit/Det!
    Since I made said thread, I feel obligated to correct you on this specifically. I was asking IF SS was even useful, and if it was, where should it be at. It was titled as such. a QUESTION about DRK and SS. What I got was "it's not useful, but more of it helps during the blood weapon window". That was enough for me on that matter, actually. because I asked and got an answer
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    Sargatanas
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    Summoner Lv 66
    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffernuff View Post
    The thing is you've put this uniquely evasion "combo" onto a class that has abilities locked behind or reliant on actually taking the hits. THAT is contrary and poorly designed in my opinion.
    Because the abilities you have that are locked behind being hit are:

    1. Reprisal, which is barely noticeable on 1 mob when you're tanking 10.
    2. Low Blow, same story as the above.
    3. Blood Price, which has 25 seconds of downtime.

    In an AoE scenario like a big dungeon pull, you don't CARE about Reprisal or Low Blow procs, and you should be mentally present enough to not boost evasion/blind targets while Blood Price is ticking.

    DRGs can't maintain Blood of the Dragon while AoEing. Does that mean DRG is poorly designed? Just because you have a different list of priorities between a big dungeon trash pull and a single-target boss fight doesn't mean a job is poorly designed.

    When Blood Price falls and you DA both Dance and Passenger together you dodge a HUGE (over 50%, I'll wager) portion of incoming damage. That is insane mitigation. And you're worried about Low Blow and Reprisal procs at this point? I'll admit I'm perplexed. You seem to be fussing over details and missing the big picture. I'd recommend you readjust your perspective and priorities in different situations and see that DRK has a time and place for everything, and when you execute skills in conjunction at the proper time, you'll find them extremely effective.

    You'll forgive my aggression, its just that there are SO MANY OF THESE THREADS featuring ill-conceived views and suggestions about DRK and there HAVE been for months, ever since the game launched. But these all completely run contrary to the job's performance in content, which has been very good, and continues to be good now in this decidedly more physical raid tier (everyone said DRK would be toast in fights with physical damage). People have been saying nicely for a long time "if you do x, then y won't be a problem" with y being a mechanic of DRK that the OP questions or wants to change/buff/remove entirely
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    Last edited by SyzzleSpark; 06-10-2016 at 05:07 AM.