Report All the people Selling AND Buying houses in PF

[TaranTatsuuchi]

How is it wrong when they have spent their own time to earn the money to purchase something they want?

People do this in real life, buy up market properties and lease them out to people for profits. The property prices are expected to raise and then they re-sell their properties.
There is nothing illegal about this in real life and it is certainly not a 'mafia act'.

If anything is wrong, it's SE's unclear statement of their wishes for the game as all customers have to obey their product rules regardless (hard to follow without distinction) and their design for the housing system being as it is.

The act of intentionally buying up housing to prevent others from getting for the ability to charge just to allow them access to it is actually disrupting other player's gameplay.

Which is actually against the Terms of Service.

[Celef]

The act of intentionally buying up housing to prevent others from getting for the ability to charge just to allow them access to it is actually disrupting other player's gameplay.

Which is actually against the Terms of Service.

And can send you into GM jail, as it happened for a player not long ago

[Avera]

The act of intentionally buying up housing to prevent others from getting for the ability to charge just to allow them access to it is actually disrupting other player's gameplay.

Which is actually against the Terms of Service.

Indeed, as I did my own digging and found the exact ToS quote (but game doesnt want me to copy paste it so I can just say I did find it)...I am still sad that I cant even remotely buy myself a house even though I saved up so much.

[StouterTaru]

The act of intentionally buying up housing to prevent others from getting for the ability to charge just to allow them access to it is actually disrupting other player's gameplay.

Which is actually against the Terms of Service.

House flippers aren't specifically targeting you, buying that plot to keep you out of it. They're buying it so that someone that pays an amount that they like can have it.

What about intentionally selling MB items below someone else's listed rate, to prevent them from selling their items, is that a disruption of someone else's gameplay?

Or "early pulling" a hunt while someone is still on their way, isn't that also a disruption of someone else's gameplay?

A few contradicting GM responses in game without full context doesn't prove either side, especially when there's been a thousand threads on the official forum and zero SE responses to any of them.

[Avera]

House flippers aren't specifically targeting you, buying that plot to keep you out of it. They're buying it so that someone that pays an amount that they like can have it.

What about intentionally selling MB items below someone else's listed rate, to prevent them from selling their items, is that a disruption of someone else's gameplay?

Or "early pulling" a hunt while someone is still on their way, isn't that also a disruption of someone else's gameplay?

A few contradicting GM responses in game without full context doesn't prove either side, especially when there's been a thousand threads on the official forum and zero SE responses to any of them.

The one thing I want to say is: They are buying the houses to sell them for a lot more than their worth. That is a fact. Not one of the flippers I have seen is selling for a reasonable price (like the 5m I saved up for a small house) (to be continued)

[Avera]

The one thing I want to say is: They are buying the houses to sell them for a lot more than their worth. That is a fact. Not one of the flippers I have seen is selling for a reasonable price (like the 5m I saved up for a small house) (to be continued)

They are disrupting gameplay in the sense that they are locking us away from content by creating a monopoly and controlling who gets to experience housing and who does not. You can still sell on the MB and do hunts without a problem, but you cant buy a house when someone else owns it and wont sell it reasonably.

[StouterTaru]

They are disrupting gameplay in the sense that they are locking us away from content

Unless they buy every single house, they are not locking you away from content. If they give up the plot for gil, there are the same number of people experiencing housing that there otherwise would have been.

Who has the better argument:
#1 - I deserve a house because I've saved up tens of millions of gil and am willing to spend it
#2 - I deserve a house because I have 3M gil, was online at 4am on a Tuesday, and got lucky

Plot sellers shift the home owners from being 100% in #2 group to what, 95%? 90%? You really want to claim that that is the true problem with housing that needs immediate addressing?

[Avera]

Unless they buy every single house, they are not locking you away from content. If they give up the plot for gil, there are the same number of people experiencing housing that there otherwise would have been.

Who has the better argument:
#1 - I deserve a house because I've saved up tens of millions of gil and am willing to spend it
#2 - I deserve a house because I have 3M gil, was online at 4am on a Tuesday, and got lucky

Plot sellers shift the home owners from being 100% in #2 group to what, 95%? 90%? You really want to claim that that is the true problem with housing that needs immediate addressing?

Its not about who deserves the house more, we all deserve to be able to get a house. and to answer you, there was someone in Gilgamesh selling 20 or so houses in one ward of the Lavender Beds :T

[Deceptistar]

Mmm on a side note i dun think anyone actually 'deserves' a house. You get it when you get it.
Its like saying the people who first bought a house 'deserves' a refund cause we payed 200m+ when it first came out xD

rather they should make any sort of 'reselling' way stricter.
(ex. reselling allowed only once per 6months or so by way of square account management system >> w/ no way to relinquish ingame)

[Faltrask]

Mmm on a side note i dun think anyone actually 'deserves' a house. You get it when you get it.
Its like saying the people who first bought a house 'deserves' a refund cause we payed 200m+ when it first came out xD

rather they should make any sort of 'reselling' way stricter.
(ex. reselling allowed only once per 6months or so by way of square account management system >> w/ no way to relinquish ingame)

What? xD Refund for what, most of them have been used gardening to get most of the money back!