"The REAL Problem With Housing" and Other Flaws on the Dev's Behalf

[Faltrask]

Also I'd say they should discourage this kind of behaviour, they should get those FC that work like organized crime lol.

[EssenceFlux]

Why not send those improvements to se?.

Because that "Submit Suggestion" button is there for flavor, they don't listen, don't read, and Ive dumped suggestions in the box and I assume it's all going to some internet incinerator

[Serllen]

I think you made a lot of good points, especially the part about "distribution based on population".
While the housing districts expansion is a solution but it's a solution that only attempts to solve the problem on the surface and not trying to solve the root problem.
This is not to say that they haven't identified the root problem with housing nor do they not want to find it. It might just be it's "easier" to just throw more plots at the players.
However, if this is the only solution that the dev team is willing to make (with auto demolition being the same kind of solution as it only frees up the plot) then it just shows how irresponsible the dev team is regarding the issues around housing.

[Desfin]

However, if this is the only solution that the dev team is willing to make (with auto demolition being the same kind of solution as it only frees up the plot) then it just shows how irresponsible the dev team is regarding the issues around housing.

We've been waiting since 2.89 for more wards, the Devs DO. NOT. CARE. about us and have shown that repeatedly by turning of auto-demolition and not talking about housing for most of that time.

[Desfin]

Seriously, too everyone here that hasn't dealt with this team, as someone who has lurked the forums, subreddits and anything else you can get information on, they hardly ever even say there is a problem (or anything at all.)

I really loved this game but the Devs clearly don't care about people with play styles outside of raiding which gets old fast. Housing has, is and will probably continue too be an after thought too them, even if most of the population's only option is join someone elses FC.

[EssenceFlux]

I really loved this game but the Devs clearly don't care about people with play styles outside of raiding which gets old fast.

Now hold on a bit.

Let me make this clear that it isn't that the developers do not care, quite the contrary, the transition from 1.0 to 2.0 shows us that they care a great deal about us! But unlike its competitors who have had years on this game (in WoW's case a decade and some), this game in this format is still new, not infantile, but new. I believe the developers didn't see this game, niche as it is, grow as popular as it has and most likely planned modestly initially. What we are seeng now is a result of a bit of poor planning, a bit of surprise census, and a bit of human error as far as expectations--on both player and developer end--and the culmination thereof has set a mood of complacency and disappointment, but this is all very fixable!

They just have to get off their ass and fix it.

Also, no dev is gonna outright say "we don fuk'd up" because that paints a terrible picture; it took a lot of humbling for the devs to rehash FFXIV to make ARR and that isn't something devs just do.

I'm not saying give it time, I myself am sick of waiting, I'm just giving a perspective.

[MistyMew]

Because that "Submit Suggestion" button is there for flavor, they don't listen, don't read, and Ive dumped suggestions in the box and I assume it's all going to some internet incinerator

lol I hear you, I submit a lot of suggestions that way, 99% of mine are through the suggestion button in game......I sometimes add a sentence hoping they are enjoying their double double coffee from tim hortons cause I honestly feel our suggestions are relayed to some tiny meaningless cubicle in Montreal .. Now that's just my gut feeling!! lolol

[Avera]

This post has enlightened me, its too bad that people of Importance wont read this and realize how amazingly insightful this is...are you blessed by the Good King Moggle Mog XII?

[ZeroAngels]

I also really want to point out that how can the devs not realize that they are in fact GATING CONTENT from players who have spent the time and effort to gather the resources and ability to gain access to housing only to be denied and RIDICULED by such ridiculous updates of false hopes of less than a couple thousand new plots all taken up within MINUTES of servers coming online. Minutes where most users spent there time in a queue trying to get onto servers.

While they frown upon other players grieving and gating other players from content, they do not realize they are doing the same thing on a much grander scale?

What are our other options as players? to dig up our "causal" FCs and move to a less populated server (somehow moving our hard earned gil) in hopes of finding a home? Great now you're gating content being a MONEY WALL. Thanks SE. Why give players ability to have multiple personal houses/land (is there even a reason to do so other than for grieving and profit?) when there are still MULTITUDES of players and FCs without a house?

If there is much content attached to housing why is it not available to everyone that has the ability and saved up the gil to do so? Maybe the solution is to make the housing content (workshop/gardening/breeding) available to all, albeit with a price (gil) to access it. Heck, lets rent work shops, gardening plots and proper stables. All while a team of brilliant devs work on and come up with a solution to resolve the housing design issue they have dug themselves into.

Even though I agree that it is hard to change the design of housing as an after thought, you owe it to your ever growing player base to address the issue and come up with a solution. "It's too hard" should never be an excuse to not change.

[EssenceFlux]

If there is much content attached to housing why is it not available to everyone that has the ability and saved up the gil to do so? Maybe the solution is to make the housing content (workshop/gardening/breeding) available to all, albeit with a price (gil) to access it. Heck, lets rent work shops, gardening plots and proper stables. All while a team of brilliant devs work on and come up with a solution to resolve the housing design issue they have dug themselves into.

Just what I was thinking. Why are we not all entitled?

Perhaps what should have been done is apartment style housing FIRST and THEN estate housing. This way, it would ensure everyone got a little bit of something and for those who were able, get a little something more.

I also think that free companies should be first to get estates because they serve more than one person. I think a free company estate should be an included entitlement, and it would make sense to do so. Why should a personal house for one person who maybe visits it maybe take priority over a free company estate that serves over two hundred players? And I'm sure I'm not the only one that thinks that. Some would call this discouraging personal purchases, but really it is encouraging community and social interaction--this IS an MMO, over half of what we do in game is suggested for party.