Dark knight

[Shinzee]

Oh rly? Goodbye to your mana? Everytime you drop grit you have blood weapon up or you did smth wrong and swap around way too much, as soon blood weapon is popped you regain even more mp than a grit reactivation would cost you. War can dance around at no cost apart from a 10s cd on it and no effect upon activating their tank stance, drk/pld on the other hand can use their tank stance as an additional cooldown. In the end its just a matter of l2p and nothing else but lets rather ask for buffs to make drk best in everything if played right and as good as the other 2 if played like a pld.

[Violette]

Oh rly? Goodbye to your mana? Everytime you drop grit you have blood weapon up or you did smth wrong and swap around way too much, as soon blood weapon is popped you regain even more mp than a grit reactivation would cost you. War can dance around at no cost apart from a 10s cd on it and no effect upon activating their tank stance, drk/pld on the other hand can use their tank stance as an additional cooldown. In the end its just a matter of l2p and nothing else but lets rather ask for buffs to make drk best in everything if played right and as good as the other 2 if played like a pld.

Interesting idea: If played like PLD, DRK's damage actually is lower. Cause no MP regens.

[Mattelot]

>Join Date: June 2016
>Paladin Lv 60


So either:
You're a botter who spam levelled via fates to hit 60 on 2+ classes in 7 days OR you have no idea what you're talking about.

Either or, go away.

When you are playing all 3 tank classes in raid, come back and tell me about tank imbalance. That means clearing A5S at minimum.

Until then, you've not experienced proper tanking.

Could you please link the source that states that clearing A5S is the minimum for experiencing proper tanking? I would appreciate it.

[Violette]

Could you please link the source that states that clearing A5S is the minimum for experiencing proper tanking? I would appreciate it.

It's not official, it's my own metric.

It's just if you're not raiding, you're not being forced to play the class anywhere near it's fullest. You're not trying out new things to squeeze an extra tankbuster in your cooldowns, extra tankiness out of your existing cooldowns while pushing your DPS to the extreme.
And A5S is so easy these days (and when it was released), clearing it isn't much of a challenge.

[Comrade_uri]

I think thy should buff darkside from 15% to 25% r 30% like pld so drk can keep up with warrior i know ppl like tank to just stand n take dmg but if we can do good dmg too more ppl will play tank role thn duty finder won't be so slow

Thats cool but WAR gets a buff to some of its mitigations so it can take tank busters easyier or even better let's make all the tanks the same!

I'm beginning to hate these threads.. well constructed ones I'm ok with as they show genuine interest in such things with maths and other things and a discussion can be had but this... no.. please..

[Yasuhiro]

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You do know the join date is when their forum account is made right? Not when they started playing. looking pretty silly with those condescending green text arrows if you didn't know. I've had my account way before October.

[Violette]

You do know the join date is when their forum account is made right? Not when they started playing. looking pretty silly with those condescending green text arrows if you didn't know. I've had my account way before October.

Back in my day, the account join date WAS the forum join date.

Also checked their profile no level 60 drk.

[MagiusNecros]

Well OP your wish has been granted this patch. Darkside will be boosted to 20% in PvP only. Please look forward to it.

[Chronons]

Seriously NOT. Got both at lvl 60 with ilevel around 216-220 and there is a lot of difference in my personal experience. Considering WAR can switch stance without a real backfire (try going on and off GRIT and say goodbye to your mana...), it's really a noticeable difference.

The difference is WAR is designed to stance dance more than DRK. Its reflected in the way the stances work. WAR takes a -25% to dmg to be in Defiance and loses its highest potency move meaning they want to get out of it and back into Deliverance ASAP. DRK on the other hand, sits at -8% to dmg while in Grit and still has access to all of its highest potency moves. What that means is WAR is going to have to stance dance more to get its avg % of out going damage higher. For example a WAR and a DRK that spends half the fight in tank stance and half the fight not - WAR (.75+1.05)/2= .9 DRK (.92+1.15)/2=1.035 WAR is going to want to spend more spend more time out of Defiance if possible to not have its outgoing damage hampered.

[Mattelot]

It's not official, it's my own metric.

It's just if you're not raiding, you're not being forced to play the class anywhere near it's fullest. You're not trying out new things to squeeze an extra tankbuster in your cooldowns, extra tankiness out of your existing cooldowns while pushing your DPS to the extreme.
And A5S is so easy these days (and when it was released), clearing it isn't much of a challenge.

What is the basis for your metric? That more or less sounds like elitist rhetoric.