Estinien's Fate? [SPOILER discussion]

[Ranzan]

Wow. Either we are really conditioned to expect tragedy or game of thrones and its like have turned us all into narrative sadists. :P

Come on guys! Doesn't the WoL deserve one triumphant victory for a change? Cant just once the WoL spit in fate's face and say 'Screw you! Today, none of my allies or friends die!'.

since 2.5 nobody really died. One way to stop people from dying is stop listening the people and think for themselves. The WOL is really just a spectator in their own story. The only real ally we lost that knight guy from dragon head. The other two were basically villains we defeated in the past with a mutual goal at the time.

[Frederick22]

since 2.5 nobody really died. One way to stop people from dying is stop listening the people and think for themselves. The WOL is really just a spectator in their own story. The only real ally we lost that knight guy from dragon head. The other two were basically villains we defeated in the past with a mutual goal at the time.

Let you remind we have haurchefant, ysayle and possible minfillia too.

[Alleo]

Let you remind we have haurchefant, ysayle and possible minfillia too.

I believe Ranzan meant knight guy = Haurchefant and villians we defeated = Ysyale. Still enough loss for me..especially on Haurchefant. Would be nice to be able to save Estinien. Not only for us but also for Alphinaud too.
And please dont forget all those other NPCs that died in the story..Moen, the sylph, Wilfred and so on. X_X And a lot of the side stories in HW were pretty dark too. (That young girl who froze to death always comes to my mind..poor her U_U)

For me its much easier to just kill someone off to create drama and a dark story than trying to create such a feeling without anyone dieing...Having NPCs losing some limbs or being really badly wounded and maybe not able to fight again in their life could be way much sadder than someone being killed for drama..(I am still a little sad that Raubahn does not have more problems with only one arm)

My most favorite characters in this game: Haurchefant, Ysayle, Estinien and Alphinaud...there is a bad pattern here I dont really like :/ would be nice to have at least half of my favorites still alive at the end...(But at least I know now that I wont get emotionally close to any other character again..loosing those two especially Haurchefant was really harsh and I dont want to feel that sad again X_X)

[NaesakiAshwell]

I am still a little sad that Raubahn does not have more problems with only one arm.

He's too badass to let his lack of an appendage stop him from protecting the Sultana. <3 :3

[Nalien]

I am still a little sad that Raubahn does not have more problems with only one arm

I'm sad that Godbert didn't add a new attraction to the Gold Saucer; Slot machines made in Raubahns image... One armed bandits, tee hee...

[EdwinLi]

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The problem with killing off characters constant is that it will lose the emotional impact if done too much.

It is part of the issue I find with a storyline that kills too many characters off as a method of emotional impact as there are other ways a character can leave a storyline without being killed off.

Some can leave the main story to retire and settling down some where. Eventually we meet them again for a short time as a means to show what they have done with their new life and how much they have changed and not changed due to their new life and time we have not seen them.

Others we may not meet again because the WoL him or herself has to move on to a place where those NPCs themselves cannot go thus they can say good bye to the WoL before the WoL leave with a cutscene shown all the NPCs we helped watching us leave the area knowing even if we never return to the place they will always remember the Hero/Anti-Hero (depending on how the player personify their WoL) that saved their life. Eventually we meet them again for a short time because of a certain event getting to see how they changed and not changed during the long time we did not see them.

There are other ways a character can leave the role of a Major Character in the Main storyline without killing them.

[ToppeHatte]

I think waving away Haurche, Iceheart, etc as not really counting towards the death counter because of their past relations to the WoL is moving the goalpost really hard to try and prove a point. We've had a good few deaths in the story (whether you consider them worthy in your eyes or not) and even the allies who have survived have suffered for it. Y'shtola officially has an expiration date thanks to her sight, Thancred's been cut off from aether and in huge emotional distress over Minfillia, who herself is in this weird situation that we can't fully comprehend yet. Alphinaud's idealism is constantly getting crushed and discarded as more and more things keep going awry.

Despite all this there's still numerous criticisms that this isn't enough and that Square is too scared to harm their characters in any significant way. I'm of the mind that continuously petitioning for more deaths is just going to give us a lot of cheap, meaningless drama that holds no real water. I'm finding that the living characters (the previously mentioned Y'shtola, Thancred and Alphinaud) and their new struggles to be much more interesting than if they were just allowed to kick the bucket.

[Reiryuu]

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I agree. Some people seem to forget that there are fates worse than death. Sometimes death is just a release from suffering.

[Roegadyn_Bear]

I'm sad that Godbert didn't add a new attraction to the Gold Saucer; Slot machines made in Raubahns image... One armed bandits, tee hee...

They had a statue made in his image, but someone ran off with one of the arms so it had to be put away.

[Reiryuu]

He's too badass to let his lack of an appendage stop him from protecting the Sultana. <3 :3

I'm still waiting for Cid to make him some badass bionic arm that morphs into some magitek cannon or something o.o;